The real St. Francis of Assisi
(02-01-2012, 01:31 AM)Iolanthe Wrote: Furthermore, the true mark of feminism is thinking that women should imitate men because masculinity is superior. That would make you one, Jayne.

Reading the back and forth between Iolanthe and others, the thought occurred to me that the dispute is precisely what contemporary "feminism" seeks to accomplish.  It was Iolanthe's comment above that put me on the idea:  what is "true feminism" today?  We trads approach that question logically, and attempt to systematize the framework into a working definition.  In our logic, we forget that the contemporary feminists are a crowd of deconstructionists whose main interest is subverting the traditional order of things, from political society, to the Church, to the relationships between men and women in their private lives.  The mask feminism wears is simply suited to the aspect of society the "feminist" (though "radical" would be a better word) seeks to subvert.  That is why we cannot agree what is feminist and what is not.  We are not meant to.  We are meant to argue, and thereby reveal the vacuity of our traditional framework. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but Iolanthe's original point was nothing more than women have as much a role in the Church's life as men, and men who don't accept that fact are mistaken.  For laypeople, this is certainly true.  And 90 percent of the Church is laypeople.  I read her comment in the context of laypeople like ourselves; the differing roles of a nun and a pope in the Church are well known to all of us.  This is probably one of the few forums where the particpants actually agree about that. 

Why, then, did that comment spark such interest?  Because traditionalists, especially Catholic ones, have been under constant assault from deconstructionist radicals for the past half century.  We are as sensitive to the attack as airport security officers are to jokes about bombs.    Feminism today, like political homosexuality or racism, has been honed to an edge that slices any traditionalist who picks it up.  The only approach is to attack it as an idea, to reveal the evils that have been perpetrated in its name, to deny its substance.  Stat rosa nomine, nomina rosa tenemus. 



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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Norbert - 01-30-2012, 05:07 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 05:29 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 06:29 PM
Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by SCG - 01-30-2012, 06:37 PM
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by JayneK - 01-30-2012, 07:20 PM
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