Major FSSP school to close
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(02-04-2012, 06:48 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote:
(02-04-2012, 05:45 PM)verenaerin Wrote: Come on HK. You know very well that is not the situation. If there are no men involved in a Church it is because they chose to be. 

I'm repeating an argument commonly seen on this forum in defense of nuns and other women in teaching and church administration. The argument goes that they're better for the Church because nuns are free, and non-religious laywomen don't cost as much because they're not trying to support whole families on their income alone. It's also a common defense of mandatory clerical celibacy; you know, that unmarried priests are better because they don't have to support families.

Quote:Keep in mind that a mother's role is partly defined by teaching. Female teachers are by no means inferior to males. I have no issue with male teachers, but you are insulting one to raise the other. Your issue should be that there are no real Catholic men, or real men becoming priests, not that women have stepped up to the job.

This is the same as lambasting single mothers for being the only parent, while it was the father who left.

I've lambasted the unwillingness of men to step up to the plate on other threads. An immediate example would be how at my local TLM, we have a very advanced Gregorian schola program, but the average number of men who sing per Sunday Mass is only 3, out of a congregation of more than a hundred men, I estimate. It is very challenging to practice and chant the set of Propers in their full Gregorian melodies every Mass with only 3 guys. Also, for some reason we only have 2 altar servers even at sung Mass. The unwillingness of men to step up is truly ridiculous and even cowardly. I agree.

As for myself, I'm pretty lousy with personal piety. I wouldn't make a good priest or religious brother, and I have over a decade before I'm eligible to pursue the diaconate. But I always try to make myself available for chanting or serving the altar at the drop of a pin if asked. Why? Because it's good for a man to do something that needs to be done.

OK, I'm cool with everything you have said. I understand the frustration of a faith such as ours being made to look wimpy. (I think that is why TFP has such a draw.) A while ago a protestant, maybe Anglican, wrote an article about men and church. He found that the number one factor that will make a child practice the faith they grew up in is the actions of the father. Even if the dad does nothing and the mom's a saint, it doesn't compare to the father's influence. As you are well aware, our whole country is a majority of broken homes and fatherless kids. Even our bishops and priests act like dead beat dads at times. No one wants to man up.

(02-04-2012, 06:48 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote: Because it's good for a man to do something that needs to be done.

Exactly. This is something that defines some limp wristed, pansy adolescent jonsing for a hit, and a real man that understands duty and that daily decisions build character.

I think that men should hold their piers accountable for their actions. For example if your married friend was hitting on women, you would call him out on that.
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Major FSSP school to close - by Aragon - 02-04-2012, 12:43 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by rbjmartin - 02-04-2012, 02:29 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by alphonsusjr - 02-04-2012, 02:31 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Teresia - 02-04-2012, 06:13 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Freudentaumel - 02-04-2012, 09:42 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Aragon - 02-04-2012, 09:44 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by verenaerin - 02-04-2012, 09:58 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Historian - 02-04-2012, 10:01 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Historian - 02-04-2012, 10:01 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Tim - 02-04-2012, 10:50 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by rbjmartin - 02-04-2012, 10:58 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Heinrich - 02-04-2012, 01:07 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by alphonsusjr - 02-04-2012, 02:26 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Might_4_Right - 02-04-2012, 02:26 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Fontevrault - 02-04-2012, 02:34 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by GeorgeT - 02-04-2012, 02:36 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Justin - 02-04-2012, 02:43 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by JayneK - 02-04-2012, 03:35 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by JayneK - 02-04-2012, 03:58 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by TrentCath - 02-04-2012, 04:16 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by TrentCath - 02-04-2012, 04:19 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by TrentCath - 02-04-2012, 05:24 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by verenaerin - 02-04-2012, 05:45 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by JayneK - 02-04-2012, 06:50 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by verenaerin - 02-04-2012, 07:08 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by rbjmartin - 02-04-2012, 08:22 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by DrBombay - 02-04-2012, 08:44 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by jovan66102 - 02-04-2012, 08:53 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Might_4_Right - 02-04-2012, 10:26 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by DrBombay - 02-04-2012, 10:44 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Eowyn - 02-04-2012, 11:47 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Aragon - 02-05-2012, 12:42 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Might_4_Right - 02-05-2012, 01:43 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Aragon - 02-05-2012, 02:04 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Might_4_Right - 02-05-2012, 02:55 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by TrentCath - 02-05-2012, 05:20 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by TrentCath - 02-05-2012, 05:22 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by TrentCath - 02-05-2012, 05:24 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Aragon - 02-05-2012, 06:20 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Aragon - 02-05-2012, 07:15 AM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Guardian - 02-05-2012, 01:46 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Freudentaumel - 02-05-2012, 04:10 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by TrentCath - 02-05-2012, 04:25 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Tim - 02-05-2012, 04:33 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Might_4_Right - 02-05-2012, 04:54 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Eowyn - 02-05-2012, 06:03 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by AdOrientem - 02-05-2012, 06:09 PM
Re: Major FSSP school to close - by Don Quixote - 02-06-2012, 01:35 AM



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