The Eastern Churches and St. Thomas Aquinas
(02-08-2012, 04:32 PM)TrentCath Wrote:
(02-08-2012, 04:10 PM)Parmandur Wrote: [quote='Catholic Encyclopedia']
"Whereas the Catholic Church, instructed by the Holy Ghost, has from the Sacred Scriptures and the ancient tradition of the Fathers taught in Councils and very recently in this Ecumenical synod (Sess. VI, cap. XXX; Sess. XXII cap.ii, iii) that there is a purgatory, and that the souls therein are helped by the suffrages of the faithful, but principally by the acceptable Sacrifice of the Altar; the Holy Synod enjoins on the Bishops that they diligently endeavor to have the sound doctrine of the Fathers in Councils regarding purgatory everywhere taught and preached, held and believed by the faithful" (Denzinger, "Enchiridon", 983).

Further than this the definitions of the Church do not go, but the tradition of the Fathers and the Schoolmen must be consulted to explain the teachings of the councils, and to make clear the belief and the practices of the faithful.


At the Council of Florence, Bessarion argued against the existence of real purgatorial fire, and the Greeks were assured that the Roman Church had never issued any dogmatic decree on this subject. In the West the belief in the existence of real fire is common.

As to your quotes from the encyclopedia I quote again 'The Second general council of Lyons and the Council of Florence agree in delclaring: "For the allevation of the punishments these are profitable to the poor souls, namely: The Sacrifice of the Mass, prayers amd alms and other works of piety, which the Faithful are accustomed to perform for one another according to the institutions of the Church'

The Council of Trent declaed against the Reformers who rejected the Fires of Purgatory, that there is a cleansing fire, and that the souls held fast in it receive help through the intercessory prayers of the Faithful, above all by the sacrifice of the Altar, which is pleasing to God...' p321 (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma)

And again later on '...Poena damni consists in the temporart exclusion from the beatific vision of God. On the ground of the special judgement which has gone before, it is, however associated with the certainty of the final beatification. The poor souls are conscious that they are children and friends of God and long or the most intimate unification with Him. Thus the termporary separation is all the more painful to them.

To the Poena damni is added, according to the general teaching of the theologians, a poena sensus. The Latin Fathers, the Schoolmen, and many theologians of modern time, in view of 1 Cor 3:15, assume a physical fire. However, the biblical foundation for this is inadequate. Out of consideration for the separate Greeks, who reject the notion of a purifying fire, the official declaration of the Council speak only of purifying punishments not of purifying fire. .... The temporal punishments for sins are atoned for in the purifying fire by the so-called suferng of atonement, that is, by the willing bearing of the expiatory punishments imposed by God'p484-485 (fundamentals of Catholic Dogma)

I am afraid a theological manual, especially when so renowned as 'The fundamentals of Catholic Dogma' has considerably more authority than an encyclopedia.

Fair enough; but from what you quoted from Ott, Melkite already said the same thing.  You still owe him an apology for jumping down his throat.

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Re: The Eastern Churches and St. Thomas Aquinas - by Parmandur - 02-08-2012, 05:15 PM

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