Goodbye Good Men.
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On the recommendation of a forum member (sorry I can't remember who, but I owe you one), I have been reading Goodbye, Good Men and I am absolutely stunned by what I've read so far. I'm only halfway through the book right now because I've had to put it down out of disgust often.

Spoiler alert!!!







The book talks about U.S. seminaries pushing a liberal agenda by expelling and black balling orthodox seminarians. It identifies specific people and seminaries that purposely harassed, belittled, and outright threatened young seminarians that refused to go along with their views.

In regards to homosexuality, there were/are many seminaries that protect both homosexual seminarians and faculty. If a seminarian was seen as anti-homosexual, he would receive evaluations stating that he was too rigid and unable to adapt to modern times. If the faculty really had it in for someone, they would send them to psychologists who would then recommend that the seminarian not be ordained. Some seminaries used psychologists who were previous seminarians themselves that left because they opposed Church teaching on homosexuality. The psychological  evaluations follow the seminarian, so if they try another diocese, the diocese will get the same evaluation. One seminarian stated that he was assigned a mentor who happened to be a seminarian that had hit on him many times before. The mentor is now a priest.

There's also sections on nuns who were successful in driving seminarians away that were opposed to women priests. These nuns had complete autonomy and power, and they used this power to blackball seminarians.

Perhaps the most shocking thing to me was the outright hatred for the Rosary and Eucharistic Adoration. Any kind of requests for Adoration or prayer groups were denied. At one seminary, the seminarians formed a group of thirty men to pray the Rosary every night. When the faculty told them to stop because they weren't being inclusive enough, they started paying the Rosary in different languages. Then the faculty told them to stop because the floor would fall through under the weight of thirty guys. There was no attempt to a facilitate a prayer group, just resistance (they could have let them pray in the chapel). This story alone has convinced me to pray all three mysteries of the Rosary everyday because it is so obvious now how much Satan hates the Rosary.

I'm making this post in this forum because it's so obvious to me now that we are in for the fight of our lives. I always knew there was a crisis in the Church, but this book has shown me just how bad it is.


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Yes....and yes... and yes again
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#3
Honestly, I am afraid to read the book.  I think it will just make me angrier and more bitter with every page.
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#4
The good news is that American seminaries aren't like that anymore - or I should say it's getting a lot better. When I worked at the church supply store, we sold this book and I read it. Our own seminary was mentioned. I warn you, you will be horrified! 
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#5
I made the mistake of reading it and I had to get a new Everlast bag later on.
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(02-06-2012, 03:23 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: Honestly, I am afraid to read the book.  I think it will just make me angrier and more bitter with every page.

I agree. The book is the kind of book that I would love to read, but it would not be good for my soul.

But like SCG says, my trustworthy seminarian friends say that they don't see those kinds of stories today. I don't think they'd lie to me (what would be gained?), but I'm sure it still exists if a person knows where to look.
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When I returned back to the Catholic fold 5 years ago I had to really understand the situation so I read "Goodbye Good Men", "The Faithful Departed: The Collapse of Boston's Catholic Culture", "Pedophiles and Priests: An Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis" and other odds and ends. I live in the Archdiocese of Boston so it's kinda hard playing the part of an ostrich with respect to issues like this.  :blush:  I dunno, I think it's important to understand what happened to make sure we do whatever we can to make sure it doesn't happen again but also be armed with the truth to defend against the secular media.

BTW, it's difficult to continue to watch the Boston Catholic culture collapse all around me looking at nonsense like this http://bostoncatholicinsider.wordpress.com/. I'm glad I have the fish tank here for support.
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Thought I'd link to it so in case someone wants to buy it they'll do it through FE. Click to "Look Inside" and see reviews...:

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#9
Wow,  :(

I also don't think I could bring myself to read this book.

I had previously read though about "pink"seminaries which had an underlying homosexuality to them. Homosexual activity was common and they would try and corrupt new seminarians by sliding homosexual pornography under the door, and then putting presssure on them to join in.

There has been some discussion about whether the Church was infiltrated by communists/freemasons or whoever and this leaves me with no doubt a deliberate infiltration policy was instigated, with some level of success.

But at least it is heartening to hear from a couple of posters that things have turned around.
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#10
The collapse of the Church in Boston had begun in the early 1950s with the assault on Father Feeney.
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