DutChurch Castration Scandal
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Quote:Dutch Roman Catholic Church 'castrated at least 10 boys'
At least 10 teenage boys or young men under the age of 21 were surgically castrated "to get rid of homosexuality" while in the care of the Dutch Roman Catholic Church in the 1950s.

Bruno Waterfield


Evidence of the castrations has emerged amid controversy that it was not included in the findings of an official investigation into sexual abuse within the church last year.

The NRC Handelsblad newspaper identified Henk Heithuis who was castrated in 1956, while a minor, after reporting priests to the police for abusing him in a Catholic boarding home.

Joep Dohmen, the investigative journalist who uncovered the Heithuis case, also found evidence of at least nine other castrations. "These cases are anonymous and can no longer be traced," he said. "There will be many more. But the question is whether those boys, now old men, will want to tell their story."

Mr Heithuis died in a car crash in 1958, two years after being castrated at the age of 20, while under the age of majority, which was then 21.

In 1956 he had accused Catholic clergy of sexually abusing him in his Church run care home.
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Two clergymen were convicted of abuse but Mr Heithuis, a victim, was nonetheless transferred by police to a Catholic psychiatric hospital before being admitted to the St. Joseph Hospital in Veghel later that year.

There, court papers confirm, he was castrated "at his own request", despite no submission of his written consent. Sources told Mr Dohmen that the surgical removal of testicles was regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse.

Cornelius Rogge, 79, a well-known Dutch sculptor whose family knew Mr Heithuis in the 1950s, reported the castration to an official inquiry into abuse within the Catholic Church. But his evidence was ignored.

"We once asked Henk to drop his pants when the women were gone. He did that. He was maimed totally. It was a huge shock," he said.

Last December, an official investigation by Wim Deetman, a former Dutch minister, received 1,800 reports of sexual abuse by clergy or volunteers within Dutch Catholic dioceses in the period since 1945.

The Deetman inquiry received a report of the Heithuis case from Mr Rogge but it was not followed up because "there were few leads for further research".

Evidence emerged on Monday that government inspectors were aware that minors were being castrated while in Catholic-run psychiatric institutions.

Minutes of meetings held in the 1950s show that inspectors were present when castrations were discussed. The documents also reveal that the Catholic staff did not think parents needed to be involved.

There are also allegations that Vic Marijnen, a former Dutch Prime Minister, who died in 1975, was linked to the case.

In 1956, Mr Marijnen was the chairman of the Gelderland children's home where Mr Heithuis and other children were abused. He intervened to have prison sentences dropped against several priests convicted of abusing children.

Dutch MPs will today call for a parliamentary investigation into the allegations.

"I am shocked that boys were being castrated in the 1950s," said Khadija Arib, a Labour MP. "I want an independent investigation. We must find out how many cases there were, who knew about it and why the government did not act."

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...-boys.html
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They castrated the wrong people.
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#3
What the hell?

Also..... a home for castrated boys in Gelderland sounds like a most unfortunate coincidence.
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(03-21-2012, 01:59 AM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote: Also..... a home for castrated boys in Gelderland sounds like a most unfortunate coincidence.

Not to the Dutch! :LOL: In Dutch, 'geld' is money. 'Geld' in the English sense is 'castreren' or 'ontmande'.
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#5
Hmm... this keeps getting better and better.
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#6
What??  The 50s??? Thats back when they were saying the Mass in Latin and everything!! How is that possible?
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(03-21-2012, 08:12 AM)DrBombay Wrote: What??  The 50s??? Thats back when they were saying the Mass in Latin and everything!! How is that possible?
The 50s weren't a good time for the Church in the low countries. People just went to church because it was socially acceptable. The catholic pillar of the Netherlands began tearing itself apart after 1945, beginning with schoolbooks. Versus populum masses were popular.

Things didn't suddenly go wrong after the council, it was already happening long before, only covered with a layer of false reverence.
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#8
Then came the hash bars.
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We had a thread a while ago that included interviews from the Dutch Salesian Superior. It was the sickest, most perverted attitude I have ever read.

This is part of the interview...

How do you feel about sexual relations between adults and children?

Of course there are certain social norms that everyone has to comply with. But one wonders if that is not going too far. Formally, I always say that everyone must obey the law strictly. But these relationships are not necessarily harmful.

You believe that relationships between adults and children are not necessarily harmful?

I have an example. I was once approached by a 14-year-old boy who had a relationship with an older priest. He was sent away, and this boy suffered immensely, he suffered because [the priest] had been sent away. He told me, "Father Herman, why did you send him away?" And, now, what should I say to a boy like this?

So, then, relationships between adults and children are fine?

Personally, I believe that relationships between adults and children are not necessarily wrong [Persoonlijk wijs ik relaties tussen volwassenen en kinderen niet per definitie af.] Do you know Foucault? The philosopher. Do you know his writings? No, you should read that once again, especially the introduction to Part 4. It does depend on the child. You should not look so inflexibly at age. You should never enter into the personal space of a child if the child does not want it, but that depends on the child himself. There are children who themselves indicate that it is admissible. Then, sexual contact is possible.

At what age do you think that sexual relationships are possible?


Saying the age of 18 years is, I think, too inflexible.

Do you think that from the age of 12 years then is fine for sexual relationships with adults?

If it were up to me, they should be.

Will there be in the Salesian Order any more relationships between older people and children?

Just imagine that in the 50s/60s all lived together in 's Heerenberg. We were all away from our family and had only each other. Adults and boys - there was no woman to see - then lived together and some things bloom.


http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/05...rs-on.html

So this new development is no surprise. Why God does nuke us is beyond me at times.
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From the article:

"The NRC Handelsblad newspaper identified Henk Heithuis who was castrated in 1956, while a minor, after reporting priests to the police for abusing him in a Catholic boarding home.

Joep Dohmen, the investigative journalist who uncovered the Heithuis case, also found evidence of at least nine other castrations. "These cases are anonymous and can no longer be traced," he said. "There will be many more. But the question is whether those boys, now old men, will want to tell their story."

Mr Heithuis died in a car crash in 1958, two years after being castrated at the age of 20, while under the age of majority, which was then 21.

In 1956 he had accused Catholic clergy of sexually abusing him in his Church run care home." 

So we have the testimony of a dead man and 'anonymous' people who can 'no longer be traced'.
When I was younger and journalism was more respectable, reporters were expected to provide real living sources for their information, not dead or anonymous sources.
Old documents over fifty years old discussing castration are not "sources" nor are they proof of anything. It would never stand up in a court of law.
Just another reason to bash the Catholic Church, responsible for every evil imaginable.
And liberal Catholics with a victim mentality just apologize without ever checking the validity of the story.

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