I can't believe this isn't getting discussed on FE!
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From Rorate Coeli:

To His Excellency, Bishop Bernard Fellay, and to the Priests of the Society of Saint Pius X




Your Excellency,
Most dear Brothers,


Christian brotherhood is stronger than flesh and blood because it offers us, thanks to the divine Eucharist, a foretaste of heaven.


Christ invited us to experience communion, this is what our "I" is made of. Communion means loving one's neighbor a priori, because we have the one Savior in common with him. Based on this fact, communion is ready for every sacrifice in the name of unity; and this unity must be visible, as the last petition addressed by Our Lord to his Father teaches us - "ut unum sint, ut credat mundus" -, because this is the decisive testimony of Christ's friends.


It is undeniable that numerous facts of Vatican II and of the period that followed it, related to the human dimension of this event, have represented true calamities and have caused intense pain to many great Churchmen. But God does not allow His Holy Church to reach self-destruction.


We cannot consider the severity of the human factor without having confidence in the divine factor, that is to say, in Providence, who guides history and, in particular, the history of the Church, while respecting human freedom.


The Church is at once a divine institution, divinely protected, and a product of men. Her divine aspect does not deny her human one - personality and freedom - and does not necessarily hinder it; her human aspect, while remaining whole and even compromising, never denies her divine one.


For reasons of Faith, but also due to the confirmations, albeit slow ones, that we are able observe at the historical level, we believe that God has prepared and continues to prepare, throughout these years, men who are worthy of rectifying the errors and the ommissions we all deplore. Holy works already exist, and will appear in still greater numbers, that are isolated ones from the others but that a divine strategy links at a distance and whose actions add up to a well-ordered design, as it miraculously happened at the time of the painful Lutheran rebellion.


These divine interventions seem to grow in proportion to the complexity of the facts. The future will make it clear, as we are convinced, and it seems dawn is almost at hand.


During some moments, the uncertain dawn struggles with darkness, which fades slowly, but when it appears we know that the sun is there, and that it will invariably pursue its course in the heavens.


With Saint Catherine of Siena, we wish to say: "Come to Rome in complete safety," next to the house of the common Father who was given to us as the visible and perpetual principle and foundation of Catholic unity.


Come take part in this blessed future in which we can already foresee dawn, despite the persistent darkness. Your refusal would increase darkness, not light. And yet the sparks of light we can already admire are numerous, beginning with those of the great liturgical restoration effected by the motu proprio "Summorum Pontificum". It stirs up, throughout the whole world, a large movement of adherence from all those who wish to increase the worship of God, particularly the young.
How to ignore the other concrete gestures, full of meaning, of the Holy Father, such as the lifting of the excommunications of the bishops ordained by Abp. Lefebvre, the opening of a public debate on the interpretation of Vatican II in light of Tradition, and, for this purpose, the renewal of the Ecclesia Dei Commission?


Perplexities certainly remain, points to be deepened or detailed, as those regarding ecumenism and interreligious dialogue (which has been, for that matter, already the object of an important clarification given by the declaration Dominus Iesus, of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, of August 6, 2000), or regarding the way in which religious liberty is to be understood.


Also on these matters, your canonically assured presence within the Church will help bring more light.

How not to think of the contribution you could give to the welfare of the whole Church, thanks to your pastoral and doctrinal resources, your capabilities and your sensibility?


This is the appropriate moment, the favorable time to come. Timete Dominum transeuntem: let not the occasion of grace the Lord offers you pass by, let it not pass by your side without recognizing it.


Will the Lord grant another one? Will not we all one day appear before His Court and answer not only for the evil we have done, but above all for the good we might have accomplished but did not?


The Holy Father's heart trembles: he awaits you anxiously because he loves you, because the Church needs you for a common profession of faith before a world that is each day more secularized and that seems to turn its back to its Creator and Savior hopelessly.


In the full ecclesial communion with the great family that is the Catholic Church, your voice will no longer be stifled, your contribution will be neither ignorable nor ignored, but will be able to bring forth, with that of so many others, abundant fruits which would otherwise go to waste.
The Immaculate teaches us that too many graces are lost because they are not asked for; we are convinced that, by answering the offer of the Holy Father favorably, the Society of Saint Pius X will become an instrument to enkindle new rays from the fingers of our Heavenly Mother.


On this day dedicated to him, may Saint Joseph, spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Patron of the Universal Church, inspire and sustain your resolutions: "Come to Rome in all safety".


Rome, March 19, 2012.
Feast of Saint Joseph


d. Nicola Bux



Absolutely incredible statements (bolded) by one that Fr. Z calls a definite insider.  When did you EVER think you would hear something like this?

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I am unaware of any public debate whatsoever on the Council.  In fact, from what I have seen from the Vatican, Vatican II is being held as dogmatically binding and infallible.  So... 

But, it's good to see people not treating the Society like the ugly stepsister, when they have just been Catholic and holding to what they have been passed on.
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An opinion I have always held,:  get canonically invested, light up the darkness of  the Citadel, then once inside restart the discussions. What can the reactionary prelates do, kick you out?  Impossible.  From the inside the restoration of all things in Christ can begin.  From the outside, it is almost impossible to battle and take siege of this fortress. 
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(03-21-2012, 12:57 PM)CollegeCatholic Wrote: I am unaware of any public debate whatsoever on the Council.  In fact, from what I have seen from the Vatican, Vatican II is being held as dogmatically binding and infallible.  So...   

But, it's good to see people not treating the Society like the ugly stepsister, when they have just been Catholic and holding to what they have been passed on.

That's strange because I have posted at least 3 stories this and last year regarding the open discussion and criticism of Vatican II from inside the Church both by Bishops and priests which would have been unthinkable during JPII.

So I do not see what u say as accurate in the least.
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There are some good points here. I truly wish that SSPX would realize that they would do more good within the Church.
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(03-21-2012, 01:38 PM)Unum Sint Wrote:
(03-21-2012, 12:57 PM)CollegeCatholic Wrote: I am unaware of any public debate whatsoever on the Council.  In fact, from what I have seen from the Vatican, Vatican II is being held as dogmatically binding and infallible.  So...   

But, it's good to see people not treating the Society like the ugly stepsister, when they have just been Catholic and holding to what they have been passed on.

That's strange because I have posted at least 3 stories this and last year regarding the open discussion and criticism of Vatican II from inside the Church both by Bishops and priests which would have been unthinkable during JPII.

So I do not see what u say as accurate in the least.

I know there are discussions about VII that would have been unthinkable 5 yrs ago.  The most notable is by Msgr Gerhardini (sp?)  I think it is on Rorate as well.  Rorate is where I get most of my trad news, a little from Fr. Z.

Thank you for the posts and discussions Unum Sint


Our lady, ora pro nobis.  St Benedict, ora pro nobis.
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(03-21-2012, 12:42 PM)MaterLaeta Wrote: It is undeniable that numerous facts of Vatican II and of the period that followed it, related to the human dimension of this event, have represented true calamities and have caused intense pain to many great Churchmen.

MaterLaeta, I agree with your description of this as "incredible statements".  I was in a constant state of "wow!" as I read it.  This sentence impressed me the most.  For criticism of Vatican II to be coming from someone this highly placed is significant and a marked change. 

The other day I was reading an article written ten years ago.  A theologian was reacting to then Cardinal Ratzinger's Spirit of the Liturgy.  Basically the article called into question the Cardinal's orthodoxy because he had spoken out the new Mass as having deficiencies and came out in favour of ad orientem.  It accused him of the horrible crime of not accepting Vatican II. 

Positions that have been held by trads all along are becoming acceptable in way they have not ever been before.  I think the reconciliation of the SSPX would solidify the gains already made and take us even further.
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The "outside" vs. "inside" argument regarding the SSPX has to be cleared up. 

"Outside" means that people believe the crisis is nowhere near as great as Archbishop LeFebvre thought and he was wrong to consecrate the bishops since JPII was doing so much to stem the crisis. 

The SSPX did nothing to put them "outside" unless you are referring to "Inside" as being part of the mass apostasy going on. 

The invalid excommunications were the best thing that could have happened to the SSPX.  They could grow unimpeded by the diocesan bishops and the hierarchy in Rome that deliberately set about destroying tradition in the Church. 

The SSPX is God's workaround to flummox His enemies that are inside the Church organizational structure. 

I want the SSPX to remain "outside" of the crisis "inside" the Church.  Until the Pope acknowledges the extent of the crisis in the Church, the SSPX will not have a fighting chance within the organizational structure. 

But they have always been "inside" the Church just not inside the canonical setup.  Just as a person baptized in an emergency by a layperson may not be canonically a "Catholic" but they are "inside" the Church.
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(03-21-2012, 02:13 PM)Gerard Wrote: Just as a person baptized in an emergency by a layperson may not be canonically a "Catholic" but they are "inside" the Church.

I'm pretty sure that an emergency baptism by a layperson is valid and licit.  The person baptized is canonically a Catholic.
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(03-21-2012, 02:16 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(03-21-2012, 02:13 PM)Gerard Wrote: Just as a person baptized in an emergency by a layperson may not be canonically a "Catholic" but they are "inside" the Church.

I'm pretty sure that an emergency baptism by a layperson is valid and licit.  The person baptized is canonically a Catholic.

I'm stating that they are a Catholic even though there is no official record of the Baptism or the person's name in a parish register.
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