Introducing people to the TLM via the Novus Ordo

[Phillipus Iacobus]

Well, who needs musty old tradition anyway, right? Obviously, we can decide through abstract reason that one liturgy ought to be imposed on everybody.

Have you been channeling Bugnini?

[Silouan]

What he meant was not a multitude of rites, but two so called "forms of one rite."

"One true Church........one true mass."


Not sure how I misread that.  ???

If it means one true Mass as in only the Roman Rite, that is incorrect.

Even if we restrict the statement only to the Roman Rite hasn't there been multiple forms of that rite in use at the same time for a long time now? What's the difference between a Low Mass, High Mass and Missa Cantata?

[Phillipus Iacobus]

Those aren't different forms in the same way Benedict XVI is saying that the Novus Ordo is somehow the "ordinary form," and the traditional Mass is the "extraordinary forum."

[Ray M Facere]

I think the point of my comment is it doesn't really matter whether they call it two forms of the same rite or two different rites. It's still the same in effect in as much as both are allowed.

[Silouan]

Those aren't different forms in the same way Benedict XVI is saying that the Novus Ordo is somehow the "ordinary form," and the traditional Mass is the "extraordinary forum."

So they're different, just not different enough?

[Phillipus Iacobus]

Too different

[Silouan]

Too different

Okay.

[Might_4_Right]

Now I'm really confused! If the the Novus Ordo and Traditional Mass are nothing but a distinction without a difference, then what has all the fuss been about?

[Mithrandylan]

Now I'm really confused! If the the Novus Ordo and Traditional Mass are nothing but a distinction without a difference, then what has all the fuss been about?

Ever been to a Novus Ordo mass?

[Ray M Facere]

Now I'm really confused! If the the Novus Ordo and Traditional Mass are nothing but a distinction without a difference, then what has all the fuss been about?

No -- that's not what I said. The designation of a "different form of the same Roman Rite" versus "two different authorized Roman Rites" is a distinction without a difference.