PBS on the Radical Nuns.
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Quote:As Fr. Harrison says, these modern fallible writings lean towards the Pelagian heresy.  BUT, they stop short.

You previous comment was that the modern teachings WERE heretical. Now, I believe we are in agreement -- that they aren't particular good (being without nuance), but they aren't heretical, because they stop short. I think I have a more nuanced position than you when it comes to the theological status of the documents of Vatican II. "Not binding, non-dogmatic" doesn't presupposed it "may contain error," for instance, but we can leave that for another time or go in that direction if you wish.

Back to the point at hand, we might all agree that faith is a prerequisite to salvation and an absolute one. But of course, that doesn't touch baptism by desire (for those with faith) nor determining with certainty the status of non-baptised Catholics based on the external forum, as Father points out.

I notice you didn't address my third point, which is that implicitum votum ecclesiae was being taught widely by theologians prior to the council (and thus already considered part of the Ordinary Magisterium). This greatly impacts the question of the status of baptised non-Catholics, since that's what Fr. Harrison spends the bulk of his essay arguing about.

I really would encourage you to read the whole thing.
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PBS on the Radical Nuns. - by WesternWarrior - 05-02-2012, 08:25 AM
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