Speculation on the 3rd Secret of Fatima
#41
Quote: Also perhaps also a date was mentioned since Blessed John 23rd knew it was not for his time.
  The opposite is true.  Pope John XXIII knew it was for his time.  The envelope said 1960.  This statement from Pope John XXIII leads me to believe the secret mentions the wicked Council.  Pope John wanted it, so he was rationalizing.  What Pope Pius XII conveyed (letting the cat out of the bag) that there is a warning about the suicide of altering the Faith and the Liturgy show the probability that Vat. II is warned about.

So Pope John XXIII believes he sees miraculous lights and has a locution to call the Council (just imagine the modern Charismatic wackos we see today).  He's all gung ho for it.  He opens the secret since it is 1960.  It predicts a wicked Council will alter the Faith and Liturgy leading to ruin and maybe even the coming of anti-Christ.  So he puts it back in the envelope and says: "This isn't for our time".
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#42
Oh, and by the way.  Leo XIII never had a vision of Satan and 100 years or anything of the kind.  It's an urban legend. Just try to find a primary source.  Not a secondary source, a PRIMARY.  You can't.  It doesn't exist. Because the story is concocted by loons with an agenda most likely.
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#43
(05-10-2012, 08:42 PM)salus Wrote: Do you think Pope Benedict will do the consecration of Russia and reveal part 2 of the 3rd secret of Fatima or is Fatima finished as far as the papacy is concerned since A.D. 2000?

I'm still hoping and praying for a proper consecration of Russia.  Some think it will be either a proper consecration of Russia or the three days of darkness.  Either, or.  I'm not looking forward to the three days of darkness.  But I am looking forward to a proper consecration.  It's purpose is to save souls.  Personally I don't care if the 3rd secret is ever revealed as long as we see a proper consecration of Russia in time to save souls.  For the last two years Father Gruner has said that Pope Benedict seems to have a different outlook on Fatima.  Two years ago Pope Benedict implied that Fatima is not finished, what ever that means.  
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#44
Quote: So we can safely say that the kids that haven't been shown hell will probably end up there?  And the pope is a liar?
Yeah, we can safely say that Cardinal Ratzinger lied.  He's admitted it.  Or do you pull hegelian feats that would make JPII proud?  Let's see, here's some of the biggest lies ever told in the history of men:
Quote: “No great mystery is revealed; nor is the future unveiled. We see the Church of the martyrs of the century which has just passed represented in a scene described in a language which is symbolic and not easy to decipher.”  “First of all we must affirm with Cardinal Sodano: ‘... the events to which the third part of the ‘secret’ of Fatima refers now seem part of the past.’ Insofar as individual events are described, they belong to the past.”

Now here is what he said as Pope:
Quote: Turning to the message delivered by Our Lady of Fatima, the Holy Father said, “we would be mistaken to think that the prophetic mission of Fatima is complete.” ..... He concluded with the prayer, “May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.” (oops).....there are indications of the reality of the Church’s future.....therefore what is announced is the suffering for the Church…As for the new things we may find today in this message, it is also that the attacks on the Pope and the Church not always come from the outside, but the sufferings of the Church actually come from within the Church,
  Hmmm.... So two cardinals who read the secret tell us it warns that apostacy will be at the very top of the Church.  And what is this?  Pope Benedict warns that the sufferings of the Church come from within.  And what is this?  Now he is crawfishing and talking about the Church's future?  But how can that be?  I need to use a hermeneutic of continuity instead of the hermeneutic of rupture.  That's it.
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#45
(05-10-2012, 09:26 PM)James02 Wrote:
Quote: So we can safely say that the kids that haven't been shown hell will probably end up there?  And the pope is a liar?
Yeah, we can safely say that Cardinal Ratzinger lied.  He's admitted it.  Or do you pull hegelian feats that would make JPII proud?  Let's see, here's some of the biggest lies ever told in the history of men:
Quote: “No great mystery is revealed; nor is the future unveiled. We see the Church of the martyrs of the century which has just passed represented in a scene described in a language which is symbolic and not easy to decipher.”  “First of all we must affirm with Cardinal Sodano: ‘... the events to which the third part of the ‘secret’ of Fatima refers now seem part of the past.’ Insofar as individual events are described, they belong to the past.”

Now here is what he said as Pope:
Quote: Turning to the message delivered by Our Lady of Fatima, the Holy Father said, “we would be mistaken to think that the prophetic mission of Fatima is complete.” ..... He concluded with the prayer, “May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.” (oops).....there are indications of the reality of the Church’s future.....therefore what is announced is the suffering for the Church…As for the new things we may find today in this message, it is also that the attacks on the Pope and the Church not always come from the outside, but the sufferings of the Church actually come from within the Church,
  Hmmm.... So two cardinals who read the secret tell us it warns that apostacy will be at the very top of the Church.  And what is this?  Pope Benedict warns that the sufferings of the Church come from within.  And what is this?  Now he is crawfishing and talking about the Church's future?  But how can that be?  I need to use a hermeneutic of continuity instead of the hermeneutic of rupture.  That's it.

No, you just need to call the Vicar of Christ a liar.  You might as well call him the anti-Christ also and join your fellow travelers Luther and Fat Henry. 

What's ironic (dontcha think?) is that you are a liar because you are of your father who was a murderer and a liar from the beginning.  :tiphat:
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#46
A) That does not call for the hat-tipping smiley.
B) Bad form, Doc.
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#47
(05-10-2012, 09:34 PM)DrBombay Wrote:
(05-10-2012, 09:26 PM)James02 Wrote:
Quote: So we can safely say that the kids that haven't been shown hell will probably end up there?  And the pope is a liar?
Yeah, we can safely say that Cardinal Ratzinger lied.  He's admitted it.  Or do you pull hegelian feats that would make JPII proud?  Let's see, here's some of the biggest lies ever told in the history of men:
Quote: “No great mystery is revealed; nor is the future unveiled. We see the Church of the martyrs of the century which has just passed represented in a scene described in a language which is symbolic and not easy to decipher.”  “First of all we must affirm with Cardinal Sodano: ‘... the events to which the third part of the ‘secret’ of Fatima refers now seem part of the past.’ Insofar as individual events are described, they belong to the past.”


Now  is what he said as Pope:
Quote: Turning to the message delivered by Our Lady of Fatima, the Holy Father said, “we would be mistaken to think that the prophetic mission of Fatima is complete.” ..... He concluded with the prayer, “May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfillment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.” (oops).....there are indications of the reality of the Church’s future.....therefore what is announced is the suffering for the Church…As for the new things we may find today in this message, it is also that the attacks on the Pope and the Church not always come from the outside, but the sufferings of the Church actually come from within the Church,
  Hmmm.... So two cardinals who read the secret tell us it warns that apostacy will be at the very top of the Church.  And what is this?  Pope Benedict warns that the sufferings of the Church come from within.  And what is this?  Now he is crawfishing and talking about the Church's future?  But how can that be?  I need to use a hermeneutic of continuity instead of the hermeneutic of rupture.  That's it.

No, you just need to call the Vicar of Christ a liar.  You might as well call him the anti-Christ also and join your fellow travelers Luther and Fat Henry. 

What's ironic (dontcha think?) is that you are a liar because you are of your father who was a murderer and a liar from the beginning.  :tiphat:

Yeah, that's a heresy. Popes simply cannot lie, once they are elected pope they go through that same phenomena that Jim Carrey experienced in the movie Liar Liar, so shut yer trap you heretic.

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#48
(05-10-2012, 09:12 PM)DrBombay Wrote: Oh, and by the way.  Leo XIII never had a vision of Satan and 100 years or anything of the kind.  It's an urban legend. Just try to find a primary source.  Not a secondary source, a PRIMARY.  You can't.  It doesn't exist. Because the story is concocted by loons with an agenda most likely.

Yeah, talk about conspiracy theories.

There are witnesses accounts like those of Fr. Domenico Pechenino or Cdl. Rocca
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#49
Pope's can't lie, we all know that.

They're the sweet Christs on earth.
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#50
Quote: No, you just need to call the Vicar of Christ a liar.
Except he wasn't the Vicar of Christ when he lied now, was he?  You missed that one.
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