ORthodox perspective of Traditionalist Catholics
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(05-12-2012, 01:35 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: A pretty interesting short read. It is essentially the paradox of groups like the SSPX. My emphasis added:

Quote:Thus, when Roman Catholic traditionalists separate from Rome over issues of traditional practice, they obviously separate themselves from the very source of Roman Catholic authenticity. One can persuasively argue that since, unlike Orthodox, they do not attribute primacy to Holy Tradition, Roman Catholic traditionalists have no foundation on which to justify their schism from the Mother Church of Rome, especially when such separation is forbidden by the Pope himself, the very criterion of authenticity.

Archbishop Lefebvre did not separate from the Church.  He disobeyed the Roman Pontiff because the Roman Pontiff wanted him to do something he knew in conscience to be immoral.  Pope Paul VI, therefore, suspended Lefebvre a divinis.

Furthermore, Lefebvre identified statements made by members of the Magisterium as though they were engaged in teaching the Church that clearly contradict previous teaching by the Magisterium.  This is very different from mere "traditional practices."

And what I have just described is very different from what YOU think happened.

(05-12-2012, 01:35 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: Thus, how to what do the SSPX cling to that they consider themselves the Church?

Stop reading anti-SSPX websites and articles that clearly have no idea what anyone in the SSPX leadership has ever said about their existence.  Lefebvre adamantly resisted ALL attempts by ANYONE in the Society to try to set up some of kind of alternate "church."  Get that straight right now.

(05-12-2012, 01:35 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: How is what they have done not schism? How does actions and teachings of recent Popes and Councils, which seems to depart from Tradition, stand to be believed. On the one hand, some Catholics claim Papal supremacy to the extent that teachings can be changed. Other Catholics reject popes who change doctrine even though they are the succesors of Peter. In the middle you have Catholics who stumble between Tradition and contradictions of current magesterium and try to reconcile the irreconcilable. So what do you do? Do you cling to the Faith of the Fathers, or to the succession and visible Church?

You are clearly completely unfamiliar with the primary documents of the history of the SSPX and its relations with the Vatican.  Please go here and spend a Saturday reading ALL of it:

http://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbi...he_Vatican

When I say primary documents, I'm talking about TYPED CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN THE VATICAN AND ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE THAT HAS BEEN MADE PUBLIC BY BOTH PARTIES.

I spent several days reading ALL of this stuff.  If you want to debate this issue, please do the same and familiarize yourself as well with the relevant canons of the Code.
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