Cardinal Archbishop Wants His Seminary Run by the SSPX
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This also does not take into consideration the new 1968 ordination rites, which some hold as dubious.
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(05-16-2012, 06:34 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: Or, what if it's just for liturgy, and not doctrine?

I don't think that it's far fetched for trads to have apprehensions.

If it IS just for liturgy, that'd be a tad funny, as I think we both know the SSPX track record for strictly liturgical study and practicum (God bless them!)

(05-16-2012, 06:34 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:30 PM)tmw89 Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:27 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:23 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:18 PM)OldMan Wrote: OK. Sounds nice. But what if graduates don't want to be trads and want to go N.O. ? Also, the SSPX is supposed to "train" seminarians to be N.O. presiders? This needs to be thought through, people.

Good point.

Not really.  Managing to see the bad in this story is nigh on despair.

No, there's a point to be made - SSPX come in, and Ranjith has them teach Aquinas and all that good stuff - but what of liturgical studies?  Will the SSPX have to teach seminarians how to say the NO "reverently"??  What at first appears as good news transforms into... a possible attempt to subvert Traditionalists.

OOOoooookay.  So, Cardinal wants SSPX to run major Archdiocesan Seminary.  Secret plan to destroy SSPX.  Got it.   :possess:

Yah, sounds even more outlandish than a plot to supplant a liturgy in place for centuries with one concocted by a committee that - oh wait, nevermind.
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(05-16-2012, 06:38 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: This also does not take into consideration the new 1968 ordination rites, which some hold as dubious.

Erroneously.
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(05-16-2012, 05:12 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: There are lots of good and bad news everywhere.

This.

We are in a very strange and tumultuous time for the Church.  You can almost feel the death struggle that is happening right now throughout the Church.  Things are about to change monumentally for the better or for the worse.

This is surprising, but not too surprising.  Cardinal Rajinth has always appeared to be the best Cardinal in the world, perhaps with competition only from Cardinal Burke.
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(05-16-2012, 06:38 PM)tmw89 Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:34 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: Or, what if it's just for liturgy, and not doctrine?

I don't think that it's far fetched for trads to have apprehensions.

If it IS just for liturgy, that'd be a tad funny, as I think we both know the SSPX track record for strictly liturgical study and practicum (God bless them!)

(05-16-2012, 06:34 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:30 PM)tmw89 Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:27 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:23 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:18 PM)OldMan Wrote: OK. Sounds nice. But what if graduates don't want to be trads and want to go N.O. ? Also, the SSPX is supposed to "train" seminarians to be N.O. presiders? This needs to be thought through, people.

Good point.

Not really.  Managing to see the bad in this story is nigh on despair.

No, there's a point to be made - SSPX come in, and Ranjith has them teach Aquinas and all that good stuff - but what of liturgical studies?  Will the SSPX have to teach seminarians how to say the NO "reverently"??  What at first appears as good news transforms into... a possible attempt to subvert Traditionalists.

OOOoooookay.  So, Cardinal wants SSPX to run major Archdiocesan Seminary.  Secret plan to destroy SSPX.  Got it.   :possess:

Yah, sounds even more outlandish than a plot to supplant a liturgy in place for centuries with one concocted by a committee that - oh wait, nevermind.

:LOL:

Some people will never be happy, even if the Church abrogated the NO and canonized ++Lefebvre.  It would still all be a Modernist trick to subvert the Third Secret of Fatima, etc, etc, etc...
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(05-16-2012, 06:41 PM)Parmandur Wrote: Some people will never be happy, even if the Church abrogated the NO and canonized ++Lefebvre.  It would still all be a Modernist trick to subvert the Third Secret of Fatima, etc, etc, etc...

When did I mention Fatima?

In fact... when have I ever mentioned Fatima on FE?  ???

Besides... I'd be happy if the NO was abrogated and +Lefebvre's cause for canonization opened... along with +Castro-Mayer and +Guerard des Lauriers  :grin:

Just sayin' - STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.  And I never said anything about destroying the SSPX, either; subverting, on the other hand, is far worse...
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(05-16-2012, 06:44 PM)tmw89 Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:41 PM)Parmandur Wrote: Some people will never be happy, even if the Church abrogated the NO and canonized ++Lefebvre.  It would still all be a Modernist trick to subvert the Third Secret of Fatima, etc, etc, etc...

When did I mention Fatima?

In fact... when have I ever mentioned Fatima on FE?  ???

Besides... I'd be happy if the NO was abrogated and +Lefebvre's cause for canonization opened... along with +Castro-Mayer and +Guerard des Lauriers  :grin:

Just sayin' - STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.  And I never said anything about destroying the SSPX, either; subverting, on the other hand, is far worse...

Oh, of course.  Far worse.  Nothing more subversive than putting the Society in charge of priestly formation.  That just takes the wind out of their sails.  :sobstory:

You didn't bring up Fatima, just throwing in something about how someone will always be unhappy, no matter what happens.  :bubbles:
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(05-16-2012, 06:46 PM)Parmandur Wrote: Oh, of course.  Far worse.  Nothing more subversive than putting the Society in charge of priestly formation.  That just takes the wind out of their sails.  :sobstory:

Not just any kind of priestly formation - DIOCESAN priestly formation.  Under the jurisdiction of a diocesan bishop.  I understand Ranjith has been "Trad-friendly," but if taking the man up on his offer entails SSPX teaching seminarians how to say the NO "reverently," then I'd count that as subversion.

But somewhat to your credit, it is rather early to start prophesying doom and gloom... too early to start singing praises on the matter, either, if you ask me... it's yet another instance of "Wait And See."
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Quote:Some people will never be happy, even if the Church abrogated the NO and canonized ++Lefebvre.

Let's see if this happens. Then say people will never be happy. Far too much has happened. For example, user SaintSebastian, McMaster, Rev. Prof. Brian Harrison, et al have made serious attempts to reconcile Dignitatis Humanae with eg the Syllabus. But, I don't know. What matters is how the post-conciliar hierarchy views and interprets this document.
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(05-16-2012, 06:41 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:38 PM)tmw89 Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:34 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: Or, what if it's just for liturgy, and not doctrine?

I don't think that it's far fetched for trads to have apprehensions.

If it IS just for liturgy, that'd be a tad funny, as I think we both know the SSPX track record for strictly liturgical study and practicum (God bless them!)

(05-16-2012, 06:34 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:30 PM)tmw89 Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:27 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:23 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 06:18 PM)OldMan Wrote: OK. Sounds nice. But what if graduates don't want to be trads and want to go N.O. ? Also, the SSPX is supposed to "train" seminarians to be N.O. presiders? This needs to be thought through, people.

Good point.

Not really.  Managing to see the bad in this story is nigh on despair.

No, there's a point to be made - SSPX come in, and Ranjith has them teach Aquinas and all that good stuff - but what of liturgical studies?  Will the SSPX have to teach seminarians how to say the NO "reverently"??  What at first appears as good news transforms into... a possible attempt to subvert Traditionalists.

OOOoooookay.  So, Cardinal wants SSPX to run major Archdiocesan Seminary.  Secret plan to destroy SSPX.  Got it.   :possess:

Yah, sounds even more outlandish than a plot to supplant a liturgy in place for centuries with one concocted by a committee that - oh wait, nevermind.

:LOL:

Some people will never be happy, even if the Church abrogated the NO and canonized ++Lefebvre.  It would still all be a Modernist trick to subvert the Third Secret of Fatima, etc, etc, etc...

Let's try. I bet I would be pretty happy.
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