Cardinal Archbishop Wants His Seminary Run by the SSPX
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(05-16-2012, 08:27 PM)salus Wrote: Even though this is good news a single seminary in Sri Lanka (not necessarily a hotbed of Catholicism) would really isolate the SSPX, now if they were offered St. John's Seminary in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.that would start the ball rolling.

I didn't understand this comment.  Is Los Angeles a hotbed of Catholicism? 

Sri Lanka has about 1.5 million Catholics, which is a higher Catholic population than several southern U.S. states combined, and its close neighbor, India, has nearly 20 million Catholics.  The SSPX has a presence in India. 

How would this isolate them?
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(05-16-2012, 11:09 PM)DJR Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 08:27 PM)salus Wrote: Even though this is good news a single seminary in Sri Lanka (not necessarily a hotbed of Catholicism) would really isolate the SSPX, now if they were offered St. John's Seminary in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.that would start the ball rolling.

I didn't understand this comment.  Is Los Angeles a hotbed of Catholicism? 

Sri Lanka has about 1.5 million Catholics, which is a higher Catholic population than several southern U.S. states combined, and its close neighbor, India, has nearly 20 million Catholics.  The SSPX has a presence in India. 

How would this isolate them?

Outside the US there is no Salvation
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#53
This cardinal has met with SSPX faithful. The SSPX priest visits the Sri Lanka chapel for a week every month. When the faithful told Cardinal Ranjith that they pray the Rosary whenever there isn't Mass, he urged them to go to the Novus Ordo.
Over a year ago he is supposed to have asked the SSPX to train his priests to celebrate a Latin Pontifical High Mass. Till today, this training has not taken place even though the SSPX priests were available.
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(05-17-2012, 01:49 AM)Jesusbrea Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 11:09 PM)DJR Wrote:
(05-16-2012, 08:27 PM)salus Wrote: Even though this is good news a single seminary in Sri Lanka (not necessarily a hotbed of Catholicism) would really isolate the SSPX, now if they were offered St. John's Seminary in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.that would start the ball rolling.

I didn't understand this comment.  Is Los Angeles a hotbed of Catholicism? 

Sri Lanka has about 1.5 million Catholics, which is a higher Catholic population than several southern U.S. states combined, and its close neighbor, India, has nearly 20 million Catholics.  The SSPX has a presence in India. 

How would this isolate them?

Outside the US there is no Salvation

:LOL:
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(05-17-2012, 02:46 AM)francisco Wrote: This cardinal has met with SSPX faithful. The SSPX priest visits the Sri Lanka chapel for a week every month. When the faithful told Cardinal Ranjith that they pray the Rosary whenever there isn't Mass, he urged them to go to the Novus Ordo.
Over a year ago he is supposed to have asked the SSPX to train his priests to celebrate a Latin Pontifical High Mass. Till today, this training has not taken place even though the SSPX priests were available.

Perhaps they are learning Latin first.

Not directed at you, but there seems to be so many on the forum who think the pope can just flip a switch and everything will be nice and orthodox.

Like the suggestion to "abrogate the NO". Ok, sure. Then you will have a bunch of priests praying a TLM they don't want to pray, and a bunch who do want to, but don't know Latin well enough.

The NO has to be phased out.
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#56
He actually can.  It's just a big scary switch with "excommunication" on it. and it would have to be applied so broadly that it would make him look crazy.

Agreed that he has to take his time, but let's not minimize the Pope's power and responsibility.
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(05-17-2012, 08:23 AM)JuniorCouncilor Wrote: He actually can.  It's just a big scary switch with "excommunication" on it. and it would have to be applied so broadly that it would make him look crazy.

Agreed that he has to take his time, but let's not minimize the Pope's power and responsibility.

Yep, that's right just you and the SSPX, and send the rest to hell, on a bullet train, for not seperating themselves from Rome. That's the ticket ain't it ? Think about being responsibel for all of those souls !

tim
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#58
(05-17-2012, 04:13 AM)Whitey Wrote:
(05-17-2012, 02:46 AM)francisco Wrote: This cardinal has met with SSPX faithful. The SSPX priest visits the Sri Lanka chapel for a week every month. When the faithful told Cardinal Ranjith that they pray the Rosary whenever there isn't Mass, he urged them to go to the Novus Ordo.
Over a year ago he is supposed to have asked the SSPX to train his priests to celebrate a Latin Pontifical High Mass. Till today, this training has not taken place even though the SSPX priests were available.

Perhaps they are learning Latin first.

Not directed at you, but there seems to be so many on the forum who think the pope can just flip a switch and everything will be nice and orthodox.

Like the suggestion to "abrogate the NO". Ok, sure. Then you will have a bunch of priests praying a TLM they don't want to pray, and a bunch who do want to, but don't know Latin well enough.

The NO has to be phased out.

I'm not sure if the seminarians of the Archdiocese of Colombo are taught Latin, and I'm not sure whether the priests of that diocese want the TLM. In South Asia, Mass in the vernacular has been around for a very long time. In 1964 we had a half vernacular Mass in the town I lived in. There is no demand, other than in the small Traditional circles in the West, that the NO be phased out or abrogated.
Three years ago a local chaplain here allowed a group of people to have Mass celebrated under the auspices of the Motu Proprio SP at his chapel. The celebrant was a retired priest from another country. This chaplain knew nothing about the TLM. He offered the group a choice of altar missals, one in English and another in the local language, for use in the service! I was there.
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(05-17-2012, 04:13 AM)Whitey Wrote: Not directed at you, but there seems to be so many on the forum who think the pope can just flip a switch and everything will be nice and orthodox.

There's a book that St. Bernard wrote to Pope Bl. Eugene III giving him a bunch of advice on basically how to be a good Pope.  Supposedly, a bunch of other Popes since have kept it close at hand. Anyway, that book says the following for times like this (NB: when he's talking about what is not customary for a pope, he is talking about actually being a good pope):
St. Bernard Wrote:But what can you do? If you suddenly devote yourself completely to this philosophy, although it is not customary for a pope to do so, you will indeed annoy many people. You will be like a person who abandons the footsteps of his ancestors, and will be seen as an affront to them. You will be censured with the common saying, 'Everyone wonders about a person who behaves differently.' It will seem that you only want attention. You cannot suddenly correct every error at once or reduce excesses to moderation. There will be an opportunity at the proper time for you to pursue this little by little, according to the wisdom given you by God. In the meantime, do what you can to utilize other people's evil for good.

On Consideration, Book 1, Ch. IX

There's plenty of other examples of this advice/justification in the writings and actions of Saintly Popes and their Saintly advisors/defenders.

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#60
might be better if the Cardinal sends his seminarians to Econe....
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