“I confess: I’m one of the whistleblowers. We’re doing it to defend the Pope”
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Just an anononymous source and claiming he is "acting to protect the Pope". Who knows what's going and what their motivations are?

C.
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(05-28-2012, 11:31 PM)Gerard Wrote:
(05-28-2012, 05:27 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: The Pope was crying?
“Yes, but then he got really angry and reacted, saying that the truth would come out.”

But he couldn’t oppose it?
“He could have, but it would have meant a sensational rupture with his Secretary of State.”

If true, this is evidence of the insanity of prelates including the Pope.  You don't want to root out corruption because it'll look bad?  As if declaring LeFebvre excommunicated looked good to anyone with common sense? 

So, I doubt that is the whole picture. 

I suspect there is something else.  No Pope who knows the power of the papacy would be worried about a "sensational rupture" with the by then, former Secretary of State on his way to a monastery unless the Secretary of State has something on him that he doesn't want to let out. 

John XXIII was considered naive, theologically ignorant and did some pastorally stupid things.  But the sheer power of the papacy enabled him to set in motion a chain of events that would change the entire world. 

I don't care what "rupture" with one man would be, the Pope is the Pope and if (remember If)  he's got something in his closet, that he's being blackmailed with, then get it out in the open and get back to doing the work of the Church. 

It's more than don't flee for fear of the wolves Holy Father,  Don't fear the wolves at all.  Fear God and het Him take care of it.

When I read this on Rorate yesterday, this too is what I was thinking - can the Holy Father really not can the Secretary of State because of supposedly big political implications? That is ridiculous to me - he is the Holy Father. One can go on and on about political realities and diplomacy and this and that, but good grief - if justice is to be served (which seems to be an in-vogue thing right now amongst prelates), then send Card. Bertone to Iran, so to speak.
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Does anyone else think that our present Holy Father is the one in The prophecy of Fatima?

After reading the last few posts at Rorate I sort of feel that he is the one. 
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(05-29-2012, 11:02 AM)MRose Wrote: When I read this on Rorate yesterday, this too is what I was thinking - can the Holy Father really not can the Secretary of State because of supposedly big political implications? That is ridiculous to me - he is the Holy Father. One can go on and on about political realities and diplomacy and this and that, but good grief - if justice is to be served (which seems to be an in-vogue thing right now amongst prelates), then send Card. Bertone to Iran, so to speak.

The Pope does not run the Vatican. The Secretary of State controls and runs the Vatican. It has been that way since the Curia reforms of Paul VI. The office of the Secretary of State was given more power and placed higher than the CDF, which when it was the Holy Office, was second in command to the papcy in the Vatican. Now the Secretary of State is higher than the Pope and controls administration.

Make no mistake, Cardinal Bertone only thinks about, and is concerned with nothing else, but becoming the next Pope. 
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(05-29-2012, 04:51 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: The Pope does not run the Vatican. The Secretary of State controls and runs the Vatican. It has been that way since the Curia reforms of Paul VI. The office of the Secretary of State was given more power and placed higher than the CDF, which when it was the Holy Office, was second in command to the papcy in the Vatican. Now the Secretary of State is higher than the Pope and controls administration.

Make no mistake, Cardinal Bertone only thinks about, and is concerned with nothing else, but becoming the next Pope. 

If he's already more powerful than the Pope, why would he want to take demotion and become Pope? He wouldn't want to unless, he wants to do something to the papacy itself which would validate Fr. Malachi Martin's contention that the target for fulfilling the modernist agenda is the effective nullification of the  papacy itself. 
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After reading Windswept House the impression I got was that the Pope has little power at all in the Vatican and that it is indeed the Secretary of State that runs the show. The Pope only hears what the Secretary of State and his army of beauracrats allows to trickle up to him.The image of John Paul II painted in Windswept House was one of a defeated man who was pretty much willing to allow the Church to completely fall apart while he threw his hands in the air and wept bitterly The Holy Father needs the grace to really take the reins and let heads roll come hell or high water and it seems like after Vatican II the Popes have been not willing or able to really do much. At any rate we ought to really pray for an end to this mess whatever might happen. The bottom line is that in the end the Church will not, cannot, be destroyed.
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(05-29-2012, 04:56 PM)Gerard Wrote: If he's already more powerful than the Pope, why would he want to take demotion and become Pope? He wouldn't want to unless, he wants to do something to the papacy itself which would validate Fr. Malachi Martin's contention that the target for fulfilling the modernist agenda is the effective nullification of the  papacy itself. 

Bertone is a powerful man, but he is not alone. There is the other Secretary of State, Cardinal Sodano. There are many factions in the Vatican, and there is a war going on for control between Sodano and Bertone. Sodano has not given up power and it was reported that he was still occupying the Secretariat of State offices months after Bertone was officially appointed. By becoming Pope, Bertone consolidates power. He can install a loyalist and puppet as Secretary of State, thereby not losing any control. He controls both the offices of the Papacy and Secretary of State. 
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:pray:  For Pope Benedict
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(05-29-2012, 11:33 AM)Josué Wrote: Does anyone else think that our present Holy Father is the one in The prophecy of Fatima?

After reading the last few posts at Rorate I sort of feel that he is the one. 

Yes I do.  A friend and I were just mentioning this in a PM today, before I read this thread.  Antonio Socci, the Italian journalist that wrote the book about the second part of the third secret also wrote that he thought Pope Benedict was the Pope in white from the Fatima prophecies too.  He dedicated the book to Pope Benedict.  I think it was in this book that I read the Pope thinks that he is surrounded by wolves.

I don't think this makes much of a difference now but La Repubblica "born as Radical/Socialist newspaper, it has since kept a centre-left political stance."  “La Repubblica” is also characterized for its stand against the Catholic Church, often criticizing it, especially on ethical topics and its interference in these issues, which were vehemently denounced by Scalfari."

Can you please post the link to the Rorate posts Josué?
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First some facts, Cardinal Bertone is 76 and the Pope has been replacing all Curia Heads at 75, JP2 waited till they were 80, this Pope does not wait. So Bertone and Levada also 76 in June will be replaced soon, of course they will say he was forced out but that is not the case. The reason the Secretariat of State has more power in my opinion is the Vatican-Moscow agreement a pure political agreement that has even handcuffed Spiritual Matters (The Consecration of Russia) I doubt JP2 was afraid of people in the Curia since he battled the Communists in Poland for years. You can say many things about JP2 but the way he handled his physical problems and the Communists he was not a coward. As for the guess that Pope Benedict was mentioned in the undisclosed part of the 3rd secret, i can't believe it, he would never have gone along with the 2000 A.D. disclosure if he was mentioned.
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