Vatican decision due on Medjugorje
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(06-01-2012, 08:11 AM)MichaelNZ Wrote: As far as I know, the Vatican doesn't make an official decision on any apparitions until they have ceased. The three "visionaries" who have only received 9 secrets claim that the Virgin Mary appears to them each day. Maybe that's why the Vatican has yet to make an official ruling.

Hi MichaelNZ,

Normally that is correct, however the Vatican announced a commission to study Medjugorje and make a recommendation. Here's the announcement from 2010 on Zenit.

http://www.zenit.org/article-28677?l=english

ZE10031714 - 2010-03-17
Permalink: http://www.zenit.org/article-28677?l=english
Vatican Forms Medjugorje Study Commission

Led by Cardinal Camillo Ruini

VATICAN CITY, MARCH 17, 2010 (Zenit.org).- The Vatican announced today that it has formed a commission to look into the phenomenon of Medjugorje, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where six young people have said they have had visions of Mary since the early 80s.
A short communique issued by the Vatican press office indicated that, "An international investigative commission on Medjugorje has been constituted, under the presidency of Cardinal Camillo Ruini and dependent upon the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith."

"Said commission -- made up of cardinals, bishops, specialists and experts -- will work privately, submitting the results of its work to the authority of the dicastery," added the text.

Beginning in 1981, six children of Medjugorje, a hamlet of a few houses located 20 kilometers (12 miles) from Mostar, said they had seen the Blessed Virgin on a nearby hill.

Since then, the hamlet has become part of the world circuit of pilgrimages, drawing at least 15 million people. Prayer meetings and associations of all kinds have started worldwide.

Father Federico Lombardi, director of the Vatican press office, noted today that initially a diocesan commission existed to investigate the apparitions.

However, given that the phenomenon went beyond the competence of the Diocese of Mostar, the bishop referred it to the episcopal conference of Yugoslavia, which no longer exists. The bishops' conference came to no conclusion with regard to the question of the supernatural nature of the phenomena.

In its statement on Medjugorje of April 10, 1991, the episcopate explained that nothing of the supernatural could be confirmed in what was happening.

It also pointed out the need to assist at the pastoral level, under the responsibility of the parish priest and the local bishop, all those who come to pray in this place.

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"The bishops of Bosnia and Herzegovina therefore requested that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome to take the situation into its hands," added Father Lombardi.

The answer comes with the establishment of this Commission, presided over by Cardinal Ruini, the retired Vicar for Rome and former president of the Italian episcopal conference, and made up of some 20 members.

As Father Lombardi explained today, "it is not the Commission itself that makes the decisions, the definitive pronouncements, but it offers the result of its study, its 'vote' as is referred to in technical terms, to the congregation, which will then decide on the case."

In November of last year, the archbishop of Sarajevo and president of the Bosnian episcopal conference, Cardinal Vinko Puljic, expressed the desire that the Holy See give indications "on the constitution of a commission that will follow the phenomenon, registering the contents of the apparitions and of the messages, taking into account that up to today there are more than 30,000."
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(06-01-2012, 05:46 AM)Sondaar Wrote: The moment I heard "Mary" say something akin to "All religions are pleasing to my son" - I knew it couldn't be from God.

I do believe they are seeing something -- I just don't think it's from God.....

A couple of years ago I read some of the "messages" the "seers" claimed to have heard.  One of the "messages" said that if people don't repent soon then Our Lord will lose one of His arms or something along that line.  As if Our Lord is still hanging on the cross.  Just nonesense.  The relativistic "message" is the worst though.
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(06-01-2012, 02:13 PM)mikemac Wrote:
(06-01-2012, 05:46 AM)Sondaar Wrote: The moment I heard "Mary" say something akin to "All religions are pleasing to my son" - I knew it couldn't be from God.

I do believe they are seeing something -- I just don't think it's from God.....

A couple of years ago I read some of the "messages" the "seers" claimed to have heard.  One of the "messages" said that if people don't repent soon then Our Lord will lose one of His arms or something along that line.  As if Our Lord is still hanging on the cross.  Just nonesense.  The relativistic "message" is the worst though.

I don't remember the origin, but I seem to remember hearing about Our Lady (allegedly) talking about it being too late to hold back the Father's hand, chastisement cannot be avoided, but prayer can lessen the chastisement.  Is this from Fatima?
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I heard somwhere a small t tradition that says in all authentic visions of Mary you see her feet.
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(06-01-2012, 03:28 PM)3Sanctus Wrote: I don't remember the origin, but I seem to remember hearing about Our Lady (allegedly) talking about it being too late to hold back the Father's hand, chastisement cannot be avoided, but prayer can lessen the chastisement.  Is this from Fatima?

Sounds more like Garabandal.
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(06-01-2012, 03:37 PM)voxxpopulisuxx Wrote: I heard somwhere a small t tradition that says in all authentic visions of Mary you see her feet.

I seem to remember Fr. Martin stating this in an interview on Medjugorje, perhaps this is where you heard it?
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(06-01-2012, 04:20 PM)jonbhorton Wrote:
(06-01-2012, 03:37 PM)voxxpopulisuxx Wrote: I heard somwhere a small t tradition that says in all authentic visions of Mary you see her feet.

I seem to remember Fr. Martin stating this in an interview on Medjugorje, perhaps this is where you heard it?
Perhaps but I am sure it is elsewhere....and I think it has to do with the scripture of the woman who crushes the skull....or another legend that says God doesnt allow the devil to mask his cloven hooves if they are exposed.
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Regardless of how the Vatican rules on Medjugorje, it's going to present a dilemma, as this article explains:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archb...e-revealed

Some past FE Medjugorje threads:

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...988.0.html

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...sg33451035
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(06-01-2012, 04:20 PM)jonbhorton Wrote:
(06-01-2012, 03:37 PM)voxxpopulisuxx Wrote: I heard somwhere a small t tradition that says in all authentic visions of Mary you see her feet.

I seem to remember Fr. Martin stating this in an interview on Medjugorje, perhaps this is where you heard it?

He said it in this interview:

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(06-01-2012, 09:43 PM)CrusaderKing Wrote:
(06-01-2012, 04:20 PM)jonbhorton Wrote:
(06-01-2012, 03:37 PM)voxxpopulisuxx Wrote: I heard somwhere a small t tradition that says in all authentic visions of Mary you see her feet.

I seem to remember Fr. Martin stating this in an interview on Medjugorje, perhaps this is where you heard it?

He said it in this interview:

Your right! Crusader King this is the source for my recollection..thank you so much...great post.
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