Male Spirituality
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I've been a lurker here at Fish Eaters for a while, but this topic proved too tempting for me to pass up.

(06-05-2012, 12:38 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote: As an aside: This morning at Mass I counted the people; there were 19 women and 1 man. This is typical of daily Mass here. If anyone says that men stay away from daily Mass because of all the women, I will laugh. No, I am sure Alice von Hildebrand was right; that women, by nature and social training, are simply more willing to submit and serve.

I do not think either you or Alice von Hildebrand is correct on the matter of submission and service. If men are not naturally disposed towards submission and service, why are so many drawn to the military with its strong discipline and hierarchy? Or to joining police and fire departments which similarly subordinate the individual to superiors and demand sacrifice for the good of the group? Even in socially poor settings where gangs rise up or organized crime, not every man is the don or gang leader, but rather many are the followers and they obey their leaders willingly and serve their interests. Consider the words of the Centurion in Matthew 8:9 - "For I also am a man subject to authority, having under me soldiers; and I say to this 'Go' and he goes, and to another 'Come' and he comes, and to my servant,' Do this,' and he does it."  Considering how military service is a classically male activity, it would seem that aversion to submission and service is not inherent to the male spirit.

Now on the subject of whether or not the Church has become feminized or effeminate, I think there is something to that claim. As an example, here is a quote from a homily delivered by Fr. Cantalamessa, who is a preacher to the pontifical household: "Here is the crucial point: to think of Christ not as a person of the past, but as the risen and living Lord, with whom I can speak, whom I can even kiss if I so wish, certain that my kiss does not end on the paper or on the wood of a crucifix, but on a face and on the lips of living flesh -- even though spiritualized -- happy to receive my kiss."

Source: http://www.zenit.org/article-32128?l=english

Earlier in this thread there was a quote from St. Francis de Sales, wherein he complained about how some men were not very manly for not wanting advice directed towards women. I bring this up not to dispute with the good saint's claim, but rather that he clearly thinks, by using the term "manly" that there is such a thing as manliness and that men ought to exhibit it. I suspect that advocates of "male spirituality" also believe in manliness and that men ought to be manly. So there is a dilemma: how does one reconcile such a manliness with the above quote from Fr. Cantalamassa above- and with the approach to Christ which it typifies?






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Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 01:11 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Crusader_Philly - 06-04-2012, 03:07 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by TraditionalistThomas - 06-04-2012, 03:12 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by CollegeCatholic - 06-04-2012, 03:30 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Sondaar - 06-04-2012, 06:26 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Cetil - 06-04-2012, 08:41 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 10:22 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 10:28 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 10:45 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-04-2012, 01:31 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 02:04 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-04-2012, 02:28 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Vetus Ordo - 06-04-2012, 02:35 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 02:40 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 02:43 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Richard C - 06-04-2012, 02:50 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-04-2012, 02:52 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 03:16 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 03:18 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by rbjmartin - 06-04-2012, 04:12 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-04-2012, 04:18 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 05:18 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Anastasia - 06-04-2012, 06:21 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by rbjmartin - 06-04-2012, 06:31 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Anastasia - 06-04-2012, 06:40 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Richard C - 06-04-2012, 09:51 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by INPEFESS - 06-04-2012, 10:53 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-05-2012, 09:43 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Lycorth - 06-05-2012, 10:07 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-05-2012, 12:38 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-05-2012, 01:03 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Graham - 06-05-2012, 01:11 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-05-2012, 01:37 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-05-2012, 02:38 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by JayneK - 06-05-2012, 07:28 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-06-2012, 12:35 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Lycorth - 06-06-2012, 12:54 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-06-2012, 12:58 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by wallflower - 06-06-2012, 01:22 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-06-2012, 09:03 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Aegis - 06-06-2012, 04:58 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Vetus Ordo - 06-06-2012, 06:12 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-06-2012, 09:35 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Aegis - 06-06-2012, 10:27 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-06-2012, 11:46 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by charlesh - 06-07-2012, 12:06 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-07-2012, 12:14 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by The Dying Flutchman - 06-07-2012, 12:21 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by The Dying Flutchman - 06-07-2012, 12:23 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by The Dying Flutchman - 06-07-2012, 12:24 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-07-2012, 09:00 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by charlesh - 06-08-2012, 11:26 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-09-2012, 10:58 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-09-2012, 11:25 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Vetus Ordo - 06-09-2012, 11:43 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-09-2012, 11:50 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-09-2012, 01:33 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Aegis - 06-10-2012, 12:04 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Allan - 06-10-2012, 12:24 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 08-07-2012, 04:30 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 08-07-2012, 04:41 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 08-07-2012, 05:39 PM
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