Male Spirituality
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Welcome aboard, Aegis. You've given me a lot to chew on, Vetus too, and I'd need to think about it for awhile. But I would like to address this.

(06-06-2012, 04:58 PM)Aegis Wrote: Earlier in this thread there was a quote from St. Francis de Sales, wherein he complained about how some men were not very manly for not wanting advice directed towards women. I bring this up not to dispute with the good saint's claim, but rather that he clearly thinks, by using the term "manly" that there is such a thing as manliness and that men ought to exhibit it. I suspect that advocates of "male spirituality" also believe in manliness and that men ought to be manly. So there is a dilemma: how does one reconcile such a manliness with the above quote from Fr. Cantalamassa above- and with the approach to Christ which it typifies?

First, I'm not at all saying there isn't such a thing as manliness. I'm questioning where we get our modern definitions and role models. Certainly not from the Bible! King David was a warrior and a ladies man. But he was also a shepherd and a poet and a harpist. He wept with abandon. He danced with abandon. He wasn't anything like Scriptorium's grandfather and mine, who didn't touch, hug, cry or dared show too much emotion. Of course, that could be a cultural thing. Which brings me back to the advocates of male spirituality. So far the ones I've come across are all American and raised on cowboys and football. Real men don't cry and all that. And they certainly don't kiss Jesus on the lips. Right? 

I read that piece from Fr. Cantalamassa and I agree that agape shouldn't be separated from eros. In fact I even started a thread about that many years ago. But I'm not sure what your point is. Did you ever read some of the writings of St. Francis of Assisi? Some are downright embarrassing by our standards. But, as lolanthe once said, he was medieval, and Italian, and a poet.  So maybe we're dealing with cultural hangups here.
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Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 01:11 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Crusader_Philly - 06-04-2012, 03:07 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by TraditionalistThomas - 06-04-2012, 03:12 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by CollegeCatholic - 06-04-2012, 03:30 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Sondaar - 06-04-2012, 06:26 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Cetil - 06-04-2012, 08:41 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 10:22 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 10:28 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 10:45 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-04-2012, 01:31 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 02:04 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-04-2012, 02:28 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Vetus Ordo - 06-04-2012, 02:35 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 02:40 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 02:43 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Richard C - 06-04-2012, 02:50 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-04-2012, 02:52 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 03:16 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 03:18 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by rbjmartin - 06-04-2012, 04:12 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-04-2012, 04:18 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-04-2012, 05:18 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Anastasia - 06-04-2012, 06:21 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by rbjmartin - 06-04-2012, 06:31 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Anastasia - 06-04-2012, 06:40 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Richard C - 06-04-2012, 09:51 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by INPEFESS - 06-04-2012, 10:53 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-05-2012, 09:43 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Lycorth - 06-05-2012, 10:07 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-05-2012, 12:38 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-05-2012, 01:03 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Graham - 06-05-2012, 01:11 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-05-2012, 01:37 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-05-2012, 02:38 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by JayneK - 06-05-2012, 07:28 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-06-2012, 12:35 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Lycorth - 06-06-2012, 12:54 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-06-2012, 12:58 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by wallflower - 06-06-2012, 01:22 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-06-2012, 09:03 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Aegis - 06-06-2012, 04:58 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Vetus Ordo - 06-06-2012, 06:12 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-06-2012, 09:35 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Aegis - 06-06-2012, 10:27 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-06-2012, 11:46 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by charlesh - 06-07-2012, 12:06 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-07-2012, 12:14 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by The Dying Flutchman - 06-07-2012, 12:21 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by The Dying Flutchman - 06-07-2012, 12:23 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by The Dying Flutchman - 06-07-2012, 12:24 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-07-2012, 09:00 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by charlesh - 06-08-2012, 11:26 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 06-09-2012, 10:58 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-09-2012, 11:25 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Vetus Ordo - 06-09-2012, 11:43 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-09-2012, 11:50 AM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 06-09-2012, 01:33 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Aegis - 06-10-2012, 12:04 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Allan - 06-10-2012, 12:24 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 08-07-2012, 04:30 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by SCG - 08-07-2012, 04:41 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Scriptorium - 08-07-2012, 05:39 PM
Re: Male Spirituality - by Cesar_Augustus - 08-11-2012, 09:08 PM



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