Torture in the Inquisition
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(06-25-2012, 12:17 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
(06-25-2012, 12:08 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote:
(06-25-2012, 11:55 AM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
(06-25-2012, 11:33 AM)Mithrandylan Wrote: Maybe you can explain it a little more, but if it was <b>right</b> back then, then it must be right today, as the very nature of it <i>being</i> right excludes the possibility of it being wrong, and vice a versa.

Why do you say must? As has been stated on this forum before, the method of dealing with heretics for the Apostles and early Church Fathers was to excommunicate, to let them be anathema.. and to shake the dust from their sandals. I understand that the medieval church wanted to keep Europe Catholic and that heresy was regarded by the State as a kind of treason.  But the principles of the Gospel haven't changed, that I'm aware of.

Because that's the nature of something that is right.  That's what moral objectivism is.  IF something is right, then it is right regardless of the time or culture it is subjected to.  

Something that's right can't be also wrong anymore than you can simultaneously turn left and right.  One cancels the other out.

I don't see torturing as a moral green light at all.. As I said, the early Christians did not torture, not because they were too busy being tortured themselves by a pagan government, but because the Lord Jesus Christ didn't sanction it. It seems you are the one looking to a medeival church and saying, if THEY did it, then it must be okay. But that was not always the stance of churchmen.   

I don't think you're reading what I've said.  Because I haven't said that it was right or wrong.  I said, in response to HR's claim that you have to judge it according to the time it happened (or at least take that into account).

And I said IF something is right, then it is right regardless of when it happened.  IF something is wrong, then it is wrong regardless of when it happened.  I'm making that word "if" really big because somehow you haven't seen it so far.
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 04:47 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Arun - 06-25-2012, 05:04 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 05:08 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 10:21 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Ray M Facere - 06-25-2012, 10:38 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:18 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Cato76 - 06-25-2012, 11:28 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Mithrandylan - 06-25-2012, 11:33 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:35 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:41 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by winoblue1 - 06-25-2012, 11:47 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:54 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 11:55 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:58 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 12:00 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 12:03 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 12:05 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 12:06 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Mithrandylan - 06-25-2012, 12:08 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 12:09 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Mithrandylan - 06-25-2012, 12:10 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 12:12 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 12:13 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Mithrandylan - 06-25-2012, 12:16 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 12:17 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 12:19 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 12:20 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Mithrandylan - 06-25-2012, 12:21 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 12:21 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 12:23 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 12:42 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 01:02 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 01:12 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 01:22 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 01:27 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 01:32 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 01:34 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 01:48 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 01:50 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 02:04 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 02:23 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 02:39 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 02:41 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 03:03 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 03:25 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 03:27 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-26-2012, 04:17 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-26-2012, 09:48 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 01:29 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 01:32 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 01:50 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 01:54 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 01:56 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 01:57 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:01 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:06 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 02:08 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:14 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 02:17 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:20 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 02:21 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:22 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 02:26 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by TS Aquinas - 07-13-2012, 02:29 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:31 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 02:34 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by TS Aquinas - 07-13-2012, 03:06 AM
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