Torture in the Inquisition
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(06-25-2012, 02:04 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: Since the vast majority of people who lived in Catholic countries were Catholic to begin with, the whole country fell under the Church's authority. A man was born a Catholic and if later in life he rejected that faith or disputed some teaching of the Church he was liable to be tortured and killed. Jews were exempt from these procedures, although socially harassed in other ways. Of course, if they were baptised (many times forcefully) and then lapsed back into Judaism, they fell under the jurisdiction of the Inquisition and were liable to be burned just like any other heretic.
They were liable to be tried like any other heretic. The actual sentence was not the domain of the Inquisition.

And yes, this is more or less true. Most people would fall under it. So what? Do you realise that the Church is not just some human organisation? If only we lived under a state which protected the teachings handed to us!

Quote:Well, the laymen that comprise "the state" are also part of the Church, aren't they? Or are they just part of the Church when it is convenient? In any case, the hierarchical Church that was forbideen from shedding blood with their own hands approved of those barbaric executions. To keep repeating that it was the domain of the state ignores the larger point at hand: the morality of the situation.
Should the Church ignore heresy merely because the civil authorities were not morally perfect?

And you are misrepresenting actual sentences. While those things could happen at times in some places, they did not most of the time.

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Quote:But you can force people to stop being a scandal to others, and that is the point.

Of course.

Shut your mouth or be burned alive. Evangelical piety at its best!
It is better than the alternative. Censoring or restricting heretics is not done primarily for the sake of the heretic, but others.

Do you think rapists are arrested and sent to prison because they want to reform the rapist? No, it is first to protect society and punish criminal acts. Reforming the criminal is a luxury and comes after the security of innocents.

It would be good if heretics could be reformed by proper instruction, but if all else fails, their personal security and freedom comes second to the spiritual health of others.

You seem to value the flesh of heretics more than the spirits of many. What kind of god do you worship, where the mortal flesh is more important the the immortal soul?
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 04:47 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Arun - 06-25-2012, 05:04 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 10:21 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:35 AM
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