Torture in the Inquisition
(07-13-2012, 03:02 AM)Resurrexi Wrote: Perhaps you should also think about a point I made earlier, namely, that if the state may lawfully take life for the sake of the common good, why (according to you) may it not lawfully use lower degrees of physical violence--here, specifically torture--to achieve the same end?

Because the state cannot force anyone to believe against one's conscience. Think about that for once.

Quote:Also, how was divinely sanctioned violence in the Old Testament better than ecclesiastically sanctioned violence against heretics?

Here you must go back to basics and understand the difference between law and gospel. In the Old Testament there was death penalty for a lot of things, including kids that disrespected parents. Do you wish to enforce that? Or do you wish to get serious about your faith and understand God's purpose for these dispensations?

Quote:And, finally, if we are assuming an entirely different society, why should we assume that our current personal condition--including the religious convictions of our family and friends--would remain the same?

This is just a cop-out. You don't really want to face reality: that in a Catholic state many of your friends and family would be heretics liable to be burned at the stake. I undertstand your fear and reluctance to look at such scenario but if you're going to be intellectually honest about it, you must.
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 04:47 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Arun - 06-25-2012, 05:04 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 05:08 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 10:21 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Ray M Facere - 06-25-2012, 10:38 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:18 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Cato76 - 06-25-2012, 11:28 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Mithrandylan - 06-25-2012, 11:33 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:35 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:41 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by winoblue1 - 06-25-2012, 11:47 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 11:54 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 11:55 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 12:00 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 12:06 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Mithrandylan - 06-25-2012, 12:08 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 12:09 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Mithrandylan - 06-25-2012, 12:10 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 12:12 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 12:13 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Mithrandylan - 06-25-2012, 12:16 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 12:19 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 06-25-2012, 12:34 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 01:02 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by SCG - 06-25-2012, 01:48 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 01:50 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 02:23 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 02:39 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 02:41 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 03:03 PM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 03:27 PM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-26-2012, 04:17 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-26-2012, 09:48 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 01:29 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 01:32 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 01:50 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 01:54 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 01:56 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 01:57 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:01 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:06 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 02:08 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:14 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 02:17 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:20 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:22 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by TS Aquinas - 07-13-2012, 02:29 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:31 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:32 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 02:34 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:36 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:44 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 02:51 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 02:53 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Vetus Ordo - 07-13-2012, 03:00 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 03:02 AM
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