Torture in the Inquisition
(07-13-2012, 03:28 AM)Resurrexi Wrote: The state certainly can and does in many cases force its people to change their beliefs.

Tryrannical states, yes.

Quote:I don't necessarily want to enforce it, but the same God who gave the Sermon on the Mount gave the Law on Sinai. I'm not about to admit that anything in divine positive law was intrinsically immoral. If it's conducive to the common good (which it may have been in some historical and may well be in some future society), then I wouldn't oppose it.

You "don't necessarily want to enforce it" which actually means you really don't want to enforce it. Nor do you want to stone adulterers to death, I assume.

Through the harsh Mosaic Law came the knowlege of sin, as St. Paul teaches. And the punishment of sin is death. In other words, for every sin a man commits, the just punishment would be immediate death. In Christ, however, we have an unfailing advocate before the Father, and through His sacrifice on the cross we can have forgiveness of sins. Christian liberty, which we are under, is not the same thing as being under the bondage of the Law. Whereas before most sins were a matter of civil law, now they aren't.

Quote:It's not a copout. Most of us are discussing enforcement of religious orthodoxy in the context of an already Catholic culture.

Furthermore, in painting the hyperbolic image of my cousin or sister burning in agony before me, you haven't considered the alternatives. Maybe just economic coercion would work: punish heretics with a monetary penalty or tax (what's the difference?). Perhaps a bit of jail time would be fine. If, somehow, I ended up with a bunch of non-Catholic friends and relatives in the middle of a staunchly Catholic society, I'd probably be okay with their being taxed higher, or with one of them's having to serve a year or two.

So, fines and jail time are okay with you. Anything but burning them alive, as the pious forefathers in the faith did for centuries without end.
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Sondaar - 06-25-2012, 04:47 AM
Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Arun - 06-25-2012, 05:04 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Historian - 06-25-2012, 10:21 AM
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Re: Torture in the Inquisition - by Resurrexi - 07-13-2012, 01:29 AM
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