Depression Meds or Vitamins?
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(06-30-2012, 09:01 PM)HailGilbert Wrote:
(06-30-2012, 08:50 PM)Atomagenesis Wrote: Why does one need psychotropic drugs to help them with depression? They don't. Fr. Ripperger wrote a whole book, huge I might add, on modern psychology and said that meds are basically useless in treating depression except in extreme circumstances, like mental hospital patients, and most of them are possessed anyway. Depression comes from a form of diabolical influence and oppression or obsession. One needs to root out all their vices for true happiness.

You don't need psychotropic drugs, plain and simple, they were introduced into society to zombify the populum.

Also, taking all key 90 vitamins and minerals daily helps with this too. Getting proper supplementation is important with the nutritious food wasteland that is our contemporary food supply. Youngjevity's Alex Pack I have heard works miracles for all people suffering from all sorts of disease. Most diseases are caused by a particular vitamin or mineral deficiency, Dr. Joel Wallach is the forerunner of this field, you should watch some of his stuff on Youtube, it's pure gold, he practically invented the supplementation industry in the 60's. Anyway, his products from Youngjevity are probably the best supplements you can get on the market and they're not that expensive. They contain all 90 vitamins and minerals, not many other supplement products can make that claim.

God bless.

http://youngevity.com/

I don't believe that at all. For how then does one explain mental illnesses that are genetically inherited, like schizophrenia, sociopathy, bi-polar disorder or two of the four mental illnesses I inherited -- Asperger's Syndrome (a form of Autism) -- and Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD)? Are these just cases of vitamin deficiency?

Thank you for your post. I have Asperger's and bipolar II, and I'm sick of these armchair psychologists hiding behind a keyboard. What are Fr. Ripperger's qualifications? I've tried the sunshine method, (hell, I'm from San Diego!), prayer, Rosary, vitamins. Those are all great, but they don't cure a chemical imbalance. They help, but they don't cure. God gave doctors the knowledge to help people like us. I would never tell someone with diabetes (like my sister) to just pray her daily Rosary and forget the insulin. Truly stupid.
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(06-30-2012, 09:16 PM)Atomagenesis Wrote:
(06-30-2012, 09:01 PM)HailGilbert Wrote: I don't believe that at all. For how then does one explain mental illnesses that are genetically inherited, like schizophrenia, sociopathy, bi-polar disorder or two of the four mental illnesses I inherited -- Asperger's Syndrome (a form of Autism) -- and Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD)? Are these just cases of vitamin deficiency?

Don't believe what? Yes, most of them are, schizophrenia and sociopathy not as much, those are usually cases of one level of diabolic influence, in 85% of cases it's full possession, Fr. Ripperger is an exorcist and traditionalist priest, he goes over all of this on his talks on exorcism on his webpage.

In the Multimedia section, there are two classes: Demons 7 and 8, give them a listen.

http://www.sensustraditionis.org/

Bi-polarism is basically a made up disease to diagnose with drugs when people of certain personalities give way to sloth or immoderation in dwelling on the pain of a particular thing happening to them, drugs are not the answer, holiness and proper lifestyle and eating right are the answer. Holiness primarily first, and then eating right, getting sleep, sunlight, being in community, all these things factor in.

Autism is borne out of mineral and vitamin deficiency, same thing with eczema and other allergies. You have to realize that all these types of diseases have sky-rocketed in the last 50 years. It's because the food we eat is garbage, it has contaminants, just like our water supply, not to mention all the dirty vaccines we're given as children. People who eat right have reversed everything from cancer, bi polarism, arthritis, alzheimers, joint injury, practically everything. You can thank the Rockefellers, J.P, Morgan and other banksters for depriving us of this knowledge because it means they can dumb down the populace and have more control over people who are drugged up zombies in the state of mortal sin. Pharmacology isn't the only branch of medicine, there is homeopathy, veterinary, chinese herbology, the list goes on and on. Something are curable by pharmacology, mainly by surgery and anti-biotics, besides that... psychotropic and pharmacologic synthesized pills are detrimental to the health in 90% of cases if you count everything that's out there.

People need all 90 essential vitamins, minerals, fatty acids, proteins and clean carbohydrates to operate optimally in the body, the people who have done this have lived longest over most studies if you look them up. The people who lived longest ate the most nutritious food and didn't have any of these disorders, if there was any disorder it was probably spiritual.

When you eat healthy and stay in a state of grace; there really is no excuse to be depressed, that shows to me it's a spiritual problem if you continue into immoderate melancholy A.K.A. depression. 

Was Our Lord Jesus Christ depressed? No. Let's strive to be like the Word, The Most Sacred Heart, and the pure mind of Christ.

Please provide sources for your "facts."
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(06-30-2012, 10:59 PM)Petertherock Wrote: I read a lot of bullshit in here. Is this Fr. Rippberger or whatever his name is a doctor? Has he had extensive medical training on these conditions or conditions of the brain? I know my traditional priest when I confessed my depression related sins to him told me to make sure I see a shrink because it's definitely a medical condition that needs treatment like anything else. Despite what the so-called "experts" say...it is hereditary too as pretty much everyone in my family has had major depression.

There are many things that can aggravate depression...such as seasonal effective disorder and lots of other things and as someone stated, exercise and sunlight can help but so can medication. I am not denying that possession can be a cause...but it's not the only cause...and it's probably a very low number of cases.

Same here. My traditional priest (a Monsignor, no less) advised me years ago to never go off my meds and to trust the mercy of God. He was in his 80s then, and he was definitely old school. He wasn't a fool, though.
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(07-01-2012, 12:03 PM)Lee Timmer Wrote: Thank you for your post. I have Asperger's and bipolar II, and I'm sick of these armchair psychologists hiding behind a keyboard. What are Fr. Ripperger's qualifications? I've tried the sunshine method, (hell, I'm from San Diego!), prayer, Rosary, vitamins. Those are all great, but they don't cure a chemical imbalance. They help, but they don't cure. God gave doctors the knowledge to help people like us. I would never tell someone with diabetes (like my sister) to just pray her daily Rosary and forget the insulin. Truly stupid.

The insulin example comes up all the time. I am sick of it. It is not logical. Insulin is a specific chemical and being given to compensate for a specific issue to do a specific thing.

Psychotropic drugs are based on being able to get a patent, and getting two trials which show it is "effective" (trials are done by the drug company who invests considerable money into this), and then they are marketed aggressively towards doctors and the public.

While they may work, they are not necessary like insulin. Morphine can be used to treat pain. It is very effective I hear, but nobody in their right mind recommends morphine for any pain while ignoring the cause of the pain and all the other effects.

While it is true that sometimes drugs must be used to manage symptoms, to think that drugs are a good first step (which is what they are when you go to treatment...the first step they do is find a label and a drug and then start any sort of therapy...maybe) is a serious problem.

Before dispensing drugs, they should review a patient's history, diet, lifestyle, personal conflicts, stresses, and sources of anxiety. But they do not do that at all. They see a symptom, then they throw drugs at it.
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(07-01-2012, 12:15 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(07-01-2012, 12:03 PM)Lee Timmer Wrote: Thank you for your post. I have Asperger's and bipolar II, and I'm sick of these armchair psychologists hiding behind a keyboard. What are Fr. Ripperger's qualifications? I've tried the sunshine method, (hell, I'm from San Diego!), prayer, Rosary, vitamins. Those are all great, but they don't cure a chemical imbalance. They help, but they don't cure. God gave doctors the knowledge to help people like us. I would never tell someone with diabetes (like my sister) to just pray her daily Rosary and forget the insulin. Truly stupid.

The insulin example comes up all the time. I am sick of it. It is not logical. Insulin is a specific chemical and being given to compensate for a specific issue to do a specific thing.

Psychotropic drugs are based on being able to get a patent, and getting two trials which show it is "effective" (trials are done by the drug company who invests considerable money into this), and then they are marketed aggressively towards doctors and the public.

While they may work, they are not necessary like insulin. Morphine can be used to treat pain. It is very effective I hear, but nobody in their right mind recommends morphine for any pain while ignoring the cause of the pain and all the other effects.

While it is true that sometimes drugs must be used to manage symptoms, to think that drugs are a good first step (which is what they are when you go to treatment...the first step they do is find a label and a drug and then start any sort of therapy...maybe) is a serious problem.

Before dispensing drugs, they should review a patient's history, diet, lifestyle, personal conflicts, stresses, and sources of anxiety. But they do not do that at all. They see a symptom, then they throw drugs at it.

Great, another "expert." Please list what drugs are used to treat Asperger's.
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#26
(07-01-2012, 12:17 PM)Lee Timmer Wrote:
(07-01-2012, 12:15 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(07-01-2012, 12:03 PM)Lee Timmer Wrote: Thank you for your post. I have Asperger's and bipolar II, and I'm sick of these armchair psychologists hiding behind a keyboard. What are Fr. Ripperger's qualifications? I've tried the sunshine method, (hell, I'm from San Diego!), prayer, Rosary, vitamins. Those are all great, but they don't cure a chemical imbalance. They help, but they don't cure. God gave doctors the knowledge to help people like us. I would never tell someone with diabetes (like my sister) to just pray her daily Rosary and forget the insulin. Truly stupid.

The insulin example comes up all the time. I am sick of it. It is not logical. Insulin is a specific chemical and being given to compensate for a specific issue to do a specific thing.

Psychotropic drugs are based on being able to get a patent, and getting two trials which show it is "effective" (trials are done by the drug company who invests considerable money into this), and then they are marketed aggressively towards doctors and the public.

While they may work, they are not necessary like insulin. Morphine can be used to treat pain. It is very effective I hear, but nobody in their right mind recommends morphine for any pain while ignoring the cause of the pain and all the other effects.

While it is true that sometimes drugs must be used to manage symptoms, to think that drugs are a good first step (which is what they are when you go to treatment...the first step they do is find a label and a drug and then start any sort of therapy...maybe) is a serious problem.

Before dispensing drugs, they should review a patient's history, diet, lifestyle, personal conflicts, stresses, and sources of anxiety. But they do not do that at all. They see a symptom, then they throw drugs at it.

Great, another "expert." Please list what drugs are used to treat Asperger's.
They generally do not prescribe drugs for Autistic Spectrum Disorders, but they do at the slightest hint of depression and anxiety which often is associated with such people.

And for cause and effect, the cause of the depression and anxiety is based on real needs and desires of a person and how one reacts with society. Instead of drugs, education, practice, and stress management should be emphasized. If a person gets to the point where anxiety or depression are extremely debilitating, perhaps chemical alleviation is in order. But giving people drugs for life is expensive, sub-optimal, and does nothing to treat the underlying condition, the cause of it all.
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#27
(07-01-2012, 12:23 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(07-01-2012, 12:17 PM)Lee Timmer Wrote:
(07-01-2012, 12:15 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(07-01-2012, 12:03 PM)Lee Timmer Wrote: Thank you for your post. I have Asperger's and bipolar II, and I'm sick of these armchair psychologists hiding behind a keyboard. What are Fr. Ripperger's qualifications? I've tried the sunshine method, (hell, I'm from San Diego!), prayer, Rosary, vitamins. Those are all great, but they don't cure a chemical imbalance. They help, but they don't cure. God gave doctors the knowledge to help people like us. I would never tell someone with diabetes (like my sister) to just pray her daily Rosary and forget the insulin. Truly stupid.

The insulin example comes up all the time. I am sick of it. It is not logical. Insulin is a specific chemical and being given to compensate for a specific issue to do a specific thing.

Psychotropic drugs are based on being able to get a patent, and getting two trials which show it is "effective" (trials are done by the drug company who invests considerable money into this), and then they are marketed aggressively towards doctors and the public.

While they may work, they are not necessary like insulin. Morphine can be used to treat pain. It is very effective I hear, but nobody in their right mind recommends morphine for any pain while ignoring the cause of the pain and all the other effects.

While it is true that sometimes drugs must be used to manage symptoms, to think that drugs are a good first step (which is what they are when you go to treatment...the first step they do is find a label and a drug and then start any sort of therapy...maybe) is a serious problem.

Before dispensing drugs, they should review a patient's history, diet, lifestyle, personal conflicts, stresses, and sources of anxiety. But they do not do that at all. They see a symptom, then they throw drugs at it.

Great, another "expert." Please list what drugs are used to treat Asperger's.
They generally do not prescribe drugs for Autistic Spectrum Disorders, but they do at the slightest hint of depression and anxiety which often is associated with such people.

And for cause and effect, the cause of the depression and anxiety is based on real needs and desires of a person and how one reacts with society. Instead of drugs, education, practice, and stress management should be emphasized. If a person gets to the point where anxiety or depression are extremely debilitating, perhaps chemical alleviation is in order. But giving people drugs for life is expensive, sub-optimal, and does nothing to treat the underlying condition, the cause of it all.

Stop being so vague. Who are "they?" List the sources for your arguments. I went through nearly three years of trial and error - WITH NO MEDS - before I was given my first drug. What is your medical training?
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(06-30-2012, 08:50 PM)Atomagenesis Wrote: Why does one need psychotropic drugs to help them with depression? They don't. Fr. Ripperger wrote a whole book, huge I might add, on modern psychology and said that meds are basically useless in treating depression except in extreme circumstances, like mental hospital patients, and most of them are possessed anyway. Depression comes from a form of diabolical influence and oppression or obsession. One needs to root out all their vices for true happiness.

You don't need psychotropic drugs, plain and simple, they were introduced into society to zombify the populum.

Also, taking all key 90 vitamins and minerals daily helps with this too. Getting proper supplementation is important with the nutritious food wasteland that is our contemporary food supply. Youngjevity's Alex Pack I have heard works miracles for all people suffering from all sorts of disease. Most diseases are caused by a particular vitamin or mineral deficiency, Dr. Joel Wallach is the forerunner of this field, you should watch some of his stuff on Youtube, it's pure gold, he practically invented the supplementation industry in the 60's. Anyway, his products from Youngjevity are probably the best supplements you can get on the market and they're not that expensive. They contain all 90 vitamins and minerals, not many other supplement products can make that claim.

God bless.

http://youngevity.com/

Good stuff.  My favorite example is still Seasonal Affective Disorder.  You would think its depression, but its really a lack of vit. D.  Lots of us get it up here in WI.
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(06-30-2012, 08:37 PM)salus Wrote: If you are suffering from Depression why do some people try to get you to take tons of vitamins instead of the meds, if your brain isn't functioning well like any other part of your body why not take meds to help you.

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...sg33747631
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(06-30-2012, 11:30 PM)DrBombay Wrote: I've read a lot of bullshit on FE over the years, but when Trads start dispensing medical advice, my bullshit detector goes on overload.  Why are trads so afraid of modern medicine?  Maybe we should read tea leaves and animal entrails to diagnose illness. 

Diagnosing is one thing.Treating quite another. We dont practice medicine anymore and "Healthcare" should be renamed "sick care-symptom management". You can't get health in a bottle or injection.Its a preposterous notion.Common sense long ago left the building with "modern" medicine.
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