Head of CDF on record: Four SSPX bishops should resign and close their seminary
#11
To be fair to +Müeller this interview dates from the beginning ot 2009. Three and a half years is enough time for one to change their view on the SSPX bishops. Just saying.
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(07-03-2012, 10:38 AM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote:
(07-03-2012, 09:18 AM)PatrickG Wrote: Oh, dear. This really can't get any worse can it?

What!?  This is the best thing ever.We know now that Rome is still the whore of Babylon and no deal would be beneficial or real.Great developments here.

:popcorn:

Well, you know - I hoped Rome was not still the whore of Babylon, as you put it (a bit far for me, I must say). Rome is still Rome, however far she falls, the Pope is the Pope, and I tried to be hopeful she might have seen sense. Clearly, we are back to the old battle-lines. I have said before, the Society is far better inviolate, a lifeboat in the merciless sea, as the Church is pockmarked by heresy, so in that sense I suppose it is better, as we now know exactly where we stand, e.g. exactly the same as in the '70s, or dare is say back in one of the Church-rending heresies of the Dark Ages. I fear for the Ecclesia Dei communities, who will soon have the hounds after them courtesy of this man. I am upset as I hoped we did not stand there, and I got needlessly optimistic. Very silly of me.

Behaving like an adult, if we assume all of this to be true, and I am very frightened that it is, there is a heresiarch in the Church and I agree that we ought to be glad for this being cleared up, so we can see the enemy in all her power, all disguise sloughed off,  Modernism and Heresy run rampant. The very idea of this unspeakable Bishop at the head of the CDF makes me nauseous. However, I wonder if we should wait a while, and let us all pray for our souls and the Church.
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(07-03-2012, 01:05 PM)GloriaPatri Wrote: To be fair to +Müeller this interview dates from the beginning ot 2009. Three and a half years is enough time for one to change their view on the SSPX bishops. Just saying.

I eagerly await public statements on his newfound love for the SSPX then.
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Why didn't you post the date in the OP?
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(07-03-2012, 01:12 PM)FaithByProxy Wrote:
(07-03-2012, 01:05 PM)GloriaPatri Wrote: To be fair to +Müeller this interview dates from the beginning ot 2009. Three and a half years is enough time for one to change their view on the SSPX bishops. Just saying.

I eagerly await public statements on his newfound love for the SSPX then.

With an international news source like Die Zeit, as well.  :)
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(07-03-2012, 01:12 PM)FaithByProxy Wrote:
(07-03-2012, 01:05 PM)GloriaPatri Wrote: To be fair to +Müeller this interview dates from the beginning ot 2009. Three and a half years is enough time for one to change their view on the SSPX bishops. Just saying.

I eagerly await public statements on his newfound love for the SSPX then.

I'm not asserting that he's done a 180, but it is possible that he does not hold such harsh views of the four bishops.
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(07-03-2012, 01:14 PM)per_passionem_eius Wrote: Why didn't you post the date in the OP?

It was within the past five years.  At that point in time, +Mueller had been bishop of Regensburg for 7 years, which is where the SSPX seminary is.

What would have changed over the last 3 years to make him change his mind so suddenly and drastically?  

I don't know of many 60+ year old folks that change their opinions on things.  Especially things which they so clearly feel strongly on.
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(07-03-2012, 01:19 PM)GloriaPatri Wrote:
(07-03-2012, 01:12 PM)FaithByProxy Wrote:
(07-03-2012, 01:05 PM)GloriaPatri Wrote: To be fair to +Müeller this interview dates from the beginning ot 2009. Three and a half years is enough time for one to change their view on the SSPX bishops. Just saying.

I eagerly await public statements on his newfound love for the SSPX then.

I'm not asserting that he's done a 180, but it is possible that he does not hold such harsh views of the four bishops.

Since three years ago?  C'mon.  Stop being ridiculous.

He isn't some naive little boy.  He's a 60-something year old bishop. 

These are grown men and adults.  Stop coddling them for the things they do.
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(07-03-2012, 01:19 PM)CollegeCatholic Wrote:
(07-03-2012, 01:14 PM)per_passionem_eius Wrote: Why didn't you post the date in the OP?

It was within the past five years.  At that point in time, +Mueller had been bishop of Regensburg for 7 years, which is where the SSPX seminary is.

What would have changed over the last 3 years to make him change his mind so suddenly and drastically?  

I don't know of many 60+ year old folks that change their opinions on things.  Especially things which they so clearly feel strongly on.

Of course.  I don't know many 60+ trads.  But mine wasn't a rhetorical question at all.  Maybe it's considered common knowledge that this is not news.  I'm still new to this, though. 
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#20
CollegeCatholic, I'm not "coddling" anyone. I hate the post-conciliar church just as much as the next traditionalist. But just because a bishop is in his 60s doesnt mean his views on certain issues can't change over a period of several years. And I would appreciate if you wouldn't use a condescending tone with me. Thanks.
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