Society of St. Pius X General Chapter Statement [DICI]
#11
The endless dialogue that is what this is all about.
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#12
The deal was dead and buried already.  This places a 100 ton boulder on the grave.

The General Chapter Statement contains the following clause:

Quote:We have decided that, in that case, an extraordinary Chapter with deliberative vote will be convened beforehand.

Now, recall what the last general Chapter (2006) agreed:

Quote:Motions [and decisions] of the General Chapter.

I.1. Relations with Rome"

"If an agreement with the Holy See were seriously considered,
an extraordinary general chapter would be convened to address the issue."

Bishop Fellay's interpretation of that was that he could sign an agreement with "rome" and then take the proposed canonical structure to the General Chapter for the details to be thrashed out.  I know this for a fact.

Now re-read the latest clause.  It differs from the 2006 version in two key respects. 

1.  In the event of a proposed deal, the General Chapter will have a "deliberative vote."
2.  This extraordinary General Chapter meeting "will be convened beforehand."

So the possibility of a deal unilaterally agreed to by Bishop Fellay is now gone.  Anybody who thinks this was an accident, or that this doesn't mean anything important, is crazy.
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#13
(07-19-2012, 10:39 AM)Aragon Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 09:42 AM)Old Salt Wrote: The whole letter is reasurring.
Very soon the Society will be declared recognized, for the good of many souls.

How do you figure that? They just said that Vatican II is tainted with error.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.
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#14
(07-19-2012, 10:57 AM)ggreg Wrote: The SSPX will only be recognized after a general punishment, chastisement or slaughter of the mainstream hierarchy (in my estimation).

God has to pull the rotten edifice down in any credibility is to be maintained in the future.  His guiding hand and firm hand in the case of apostacy needs to be shown to convince the modern mind of men.

This.
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#15
Quote:The Society continues to uphold the declarations and the teachings of the constant Magisterium of the Church in regard to all the novelties of the Second Vatican Council which remain tainted with errors, and also in regard to the reforms issued from it. We find our sure guide in this uninterrupted Magisterium which, by its teaching authority, transmits the revealed Deposit of Faith in perfect harmony with the truths that the entire Church has professed, always and everywhere.

Excellent. The only thing missing are declarations of "schism" and of being "non-Catholic" from neo-cons who hold know authority.
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(07-19-2012, 12:46 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote:
Quote:The Society continues to uphold the declarations and the teachings of the constant Magisterium of the Church in regard to all the novelties of the Second Vatican Council which remain tainted with errors, and also in regard to the reforms issued from it. We find our sure guide in this uninterrupted Magisterium which, by its teaching authority, transmits the revealed Deposit of Faith in perfect harmony with the truths that the entire Church has professed, always and everywhere.

Excellent. The only thing missing are declarations of "schism" and of being "non-Catholic" from neo-cons who hold know authority.

I wonder where individual trads find the authority to do the exact same thing. I mean, if individual trads are justified in deciding that others are heretics, then presumably individual neocons would also be justified in doing so. In that case, the problem would simply be that one of the two groups is incorrect in its judgment as to what is or is not heretical.
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(07-19-2012, 02:35 PM)Crusading Philologist Wrote: I wonder where individual trads find the authority to do the exact same thing. I mean, if individual trads are justified in deciding that others are heretics, then presumably individual neocons would also be justified in doing so.

There is a difference between legal judgement and moral judgment.

Quote:In that case, the problem would simply be that one of the two groups is incorrect in its judgment as to what is or is not heretical.

Correct. We aren't relativists.
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(07-19-2012, 09:35 AM)CollegeCatholic Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 09:30 AM)Old Salt Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 08:51 AM)Allan Wrote: So...that's a "No", then...
Far from a "No".
"Talks" will continue.

The following quote from the piece makes that clear

" We have determined and approved the necessary conditions for an eventual canonical normalization. We have decided that, in that case, an extraordinary Chapter with deliberative vote will be convened beforehand."

Beautiful letter by Bishop Fellay.

This clip is very reassuring, however:
Quote:The Society continues to uphold the declarations and the teachings of the constant Magisterium of the Church in regard to all the novelties of the Second Vatican Council which remain tainted with errors, and also in regard to the reforms issued from it. We find our sure guide in this uninterrupted Magisterium which, by its teaching authority, transmits the revealed Deposit of Faith in perfect harmony with the truths that the entire Church has professed, always and everywhere.

The Society finds its guide as well in the constant Tradition of the Church, which transmits and will transmit until the end of times the teachings required to preserve the Faith and the salvation of souls, while waiting for the day when an open and serious debate will be possible which may allow the return to Tradition of the ecclesiastical authorities.

An "eventual canonical normalization" is an excellent thing, provided that " the necessary conditions" are that Rome should "uphold the declarations and the teachings of the constant Magisterium of the Church in regard to all the novelties of the Second Vatican Council which remain tainted with errors, and also in regard to the reforms issued from it.".  Of course it is just about impossible (by man's power alone) that this should happen soon. 
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(07-19-2012, 10:39 AM)Aragon Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 09:42 AM)Old Salt Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 09:35 AM)CollegeCatholic Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 09:30 AM)Old Salt Wrote:
(07-19-2012, 08:51 AM)Allan Wrote: So...that's a "No", then...
Far from a "No".
"Talks" will continue.

The following quote from the piece makes that clear

" We have determined and approved the necessary conditions for an eventual canonical normalization. We have decided that, in that case, an extraordinary Chapter with deliberative vote will be convened beforehand."

Beautiful letter by Bishop Fellay.

This clip is very reassuring, however:
Quote:The Society continues to uphold the declarations and the teachings of the constant Magisterium of the Church in regard to all the novelties of the Second Vatican Council which remain tainted with errors, and also in regard to the reforms issued from it. We find our sure guide in this uninterrupted Magisterium which, by its teaching authority, transmits the revealed Deposit of Faith in perfect harmony with the truths that the entire Church has professed, always and everywhere.

The Society finds its guide as well in the constant Tradition of the Church, which transmits and will transmit until the end of times the teachings required to preserve the Faith and the salvation of souls, while waiting for the day when an open and serious debate will be possible which may allow the return to Tradition of the ecclesiastical authorities.
The whole letter is reasurring.
Very soon the Society will be declared recognized, for the good of many souls.

How do you figure that? They just said that Vatican II is tainted with error.

Because it is, and that's what the Society has always stood for.
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(07-19-2012, 11:02 AM)John Lane Wrote: The deal was dead and buried already.  This places a 100 ton boulder on the grave.

Yeah well, I still remember when people were marching around prophesying that a deal had already been done, that Bishop Fellay had already silently sold out the SSPX, and he was to receive the red hat. How wrong they were.
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