We can learn from Harry Potter, monk tells academics
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I agree with him.
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(07-25-2012, 01:23 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 01:20 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: Our Faith can withstand Harry Potter, if I can withstand being surrounded by atheists, marxists, and pagans every day.

No one is saying we can't withstand Potter but here in the OP we have a monk pointing to Potter as a moral compass and cultural marker for society. I wonder when he last spoke about the salvivic nature of Christ's life and sacrifice or the 10 commandments  as it pertains to the reality of living a good life?

Do you have any evidence to back up the suggestion that the monk in question hasn't recently spoken about Christ's life or sacrifice, or the 10 commandments?

Because if you don't have any evidence, your use of that suggestion to support criticizing him is pretty darn unfair and it would be reasonable for me to dismiss you.

Maybe this guy is a silly liberal, but maybe he's a serious Catholic who sees some value in Harry Potter ... from what you've posted, I really don't know which.
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(07-25-2012, 02:19 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: Do you have any evidence to back up the suggestion that the monk in question hasn't recently spoken about Christ's life or sacrifice, or the 10 commandments?

Because if you don't have any evidence, your use of that suggestion to support criticizing him is pretty darn unfair and it would be reasonable for me to dismiss you.

Maybe this guy is a silly liberal, but maybe he's a serious Catholic who sees some value in Harry Potter ... from what you've posted, I really don't know which.

A : It is not unreasonable,given the current climate,that a cleric pointing to Harry Potter as a model of morality and sound education for today's society is bound to be cut from the liberal cloth.
Your ability to dismiss me (and therefore his pathetic pronouncement) due to potential lack of perceived  fair play in this regard makes you sound like a modernist pussy incidentally.

B: The evidence:
   

"That said, like many places, Glenstal Abbey benefited financially during the boom. “We’ve had some extremely generous donors, which allowed us to build a new library, the guest house and the new reception area.” There are plans to build three or four eco-friendly “God pods” near the abbey’s 17th-century walled garden. “That’s what is needed now: spaces where people can have as much silence and solitude as they want and yet be connected to the church.” Another plan in gestation is a farm where children can come to interact with animals and nature and then express themselves through workshops led by artists. “This will give children, especially those from feud-scarred areas of Limerick, a chance to express themselves artistically, which is the most enriching thing.” [no mention of the power of the sacraments]...

....After secondary school Hederman went to study philosophy and literature at University College Dublin, but within a year he returned to Glenstal to join the monastery, at the age of 19. When he was 21 he went to Paris to study philosophy and theology. The three years he spent there, which included the student revolution of 1968, made a lasting impression. “It was a wonderful liberation to think that every single structure of civilisation could be removed...

....In the 1990s, a year lecturing at Boston University followed by three years in Nigeria allowed him to further nurture these interests. “I was in Nigeria between 1992 and 1995, which was at a point in its history when writers who were so proficient in English were producing the most extraordinary literature and drama.” He mentions Wole Soyinka, who won the Nobel Prize in Literature for his plays based on Yoruba religious rites.

NOT WITHOUT HIS critics, Hederman has at times created controversy, both by his outspoken views on a self-serving patriarchy within the Catholic Church and, more locally, with his personal flamboyancy...

...His commissioning of the repainting of the church’s interior in vibrant colours in the late 1970s shocked many of the monks.

Similarly, when he spoke publicly about his use of tarot cards as a tool in Christian meditation, protesters came to the gates of the monastery with placards. He has no qualms about either issue.

Tarot cards were created in Europe in the 1500s, when everyone was a Christian. People have a false belief, as with other things, such as reiki, that they are evil.”

Lately he has written vociferously about psychology, spirituality and the growing links between the two...

...“We’ve all become so educated that we rely on our minds and have become so dependent on our understanding of what’s going on. Yet, psychologically, we are becoming more aware of the distance between the head and the heart. It’s heart work that is needed now, not head work, and psychology knows that it needs spirituality as the last step on its journey as it leads us to a place where religion has always been trying to approach..."

http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.com/201...-were.html


So the man is clearly a raging liberal with a penchant for the occult and pagan religions.
Like we I was going to discover otherwise!
It certainly puts the OP in a whole new light now.
No indeed NYCatholic. When you get to my level of awareness you can sniff these types coming a mile off.




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Here's a brief Amazon review of one of Brother (Father?) Hederman's books -"Kissing the Dark: Connecting with the Unconscious"



"If you are searching for a meaningful spirituality, the work of Mark Patrick Hederman will really help. He connects to all the major religions and to Jungian thinking so his breadth of learning and reflection is very refreshing. "

Carl Jung was a psychologist and psychiatrist who openly communed with demons and had them automatically write many of his works.

Nuff said...
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(07-25-2012, 01:46 PM)ophelia Wrote: I agree with him.

Then you agree with an open and unashamed practitioner of the occult arts.For shame.
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(07-25-2012, 01:23 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote: No one is saying we can't withstand Potter but here in the OP we have a monk pointing to Potter as a moral compass and cultural marker for society.

All the monk said in the article, to my recollection, was that so many children have read the Harry Potter books that they exert a powerful influence in society. He also said they promote imagination, something he believes is being widely stifled in children today. I think these are both true statements.

(07-25-2012, 01:23 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote: I wonder when he last spoke about the salvivic nature of Christ's life and sacrifice or the 10 commandments  as it pertains to the reality of living a good life?

Probably this morning. You're presuming, about a religious too. Would it be too much to give him the benefit of the doubt. He is probably much holier than either of us.


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(07-25-2012, 03:00 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 01:46 PM)ophelia Wrote: I agree with him.

Then you agree with an open and unashamed practitioner of the occult arts.For shame.

Stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
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(07-25-2012, 03:03 PM)Richard C Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 03:00 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 01:46 PM)ophelia Wrote: I agree with him.

Then you agree with an open and unashamed practitioner of the occult arts.For shame.

Stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

You have no problem supporting a Brother who uses Tarot to meditate? Its you who should be embarrassed.  :eyeroll:
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(07-25-2012, 03:00 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 01:46 PM)ophelia Wrote: I agree with him.

Then you agree with an open and unashamed practitioner of the occult arts.For shame.

I agreed that Harry Potter might have some literary and educational value.  Not with that which is evil.
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(07-25-2012, 03:05 PM)ophelia Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 03:00 PM)Habitual_Ritual Wrote:
(07-25-2012, 01:46 PM)ophelia Wrote: I agree with him.

Then you agree with an open and unashamed practitioner of the occult arts.For shame.

I agreed that Harry Potter might have some literary and educational value.  Not with that which is evil.

Then your position is one of an illogical duality .
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