Altar Girls
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(08-08-2012, 03:21 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote: The Church capitulated on this long ago with the use of women as choristers. Just sayin'.

Could you cite some document showing when this was approved? AFAIK, St. Pius X forbade it in Tra le Sollecitudini.
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#22
See the link on mine.
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#23
(08-08-2012, 04:26 PM)Stubborn Wrote: Table Girls is more directly true - "altar girl" is just another NO play on words.

A good reminder indeed. The novus ordo supper table that obstructs the view of the high altar cannot possibly be considered as a real altar.
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#24
The Modernists will most probably argue that Pope John Paul II had just as much authority as Pope Gelasius and therefore he could allow altar girls. It's the same reason why the "Quo Primum" argument for the TLM shouldn't be used.
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(08-09-2012, 09:06 AM)MichaelNZ Wrote: The Modernists will most probably argue that Pope John Paul II had just as much authority as Pope Gelasius and therefore he could allow altar girls. It's the same reason why the "Quo Primum" argument for the TLM shouldn't be used.

BPJPII did have as much authority, otherwise he wasn't the Pope. There's no kinda-sorta successor of Peter. He's either it or he's not. Same with Pope Benedict XVI and any after him.
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#26
(08-08-2012, 04:32 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: Could you cite some document showing when this was approved? AFAIK, St. Pius X forbade it in Tra le Sollecitudini.

Female choristers were never formally approved until 1955 in Pope Pius XII's Musicae Sacrae. Bugnini was neck-deep in liturgical matters by then, though.

However, female choristers were being used long before the Council either by indult, or just by blatant liturgical abuse, similar to how Communion in the hand became the norm even before it was granted an indult.


At any rate, until trads recognize the problem with female choirs (or to be more precise, women in scholae or singing the Proper chants), they won't have a strong ground to refute the existence of altar girls. The reason is because chanters also serve Mass. So if your chapel allows women to chant the Propers, your chapel is basically using altar girls. End of story.
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#27
(08-08-2012, 01:30 AM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: How is the current practice of allowing girls to serve at the altar permitted in light of the following passage?
Pope Benedict XIV, Allatae Sunt, July 26, 1755 Wrote:Pope Gelasius in his ninth letter (chap. 26) to the bishops of Lucania condemned the evil practice which had been introduced of women serving the priest at the celebration of Mass. Since this abuse had spread to the Greeks, Innocent IV strictly forbade it in his letter to the bishop of Tusculum: "Women should not dare to serve at the altar; they should be altogether refused this ministry." We too have forbidden this practice in the same words in Our oft-repeated constitution Etsi Pastoralis, sect. 6, no. 21.

In contrast, the majority of dioceses in the world, including papal liturgies, employ the use of altar girls. What gives?

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#29
Just as problematic:

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#30
GAHHHHHHHH. The get up those women are wearing is EXACTLY what the pagan priestess looking harlot was wearing at the last NO Mass I went to and walked out of before it started. Never again, ever.
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