Romney is pro-abortion
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(08-30-2012, 11:03 AM)Melkite Wrote: They're not the same.  One believes in allowing abortion for rape, incest and the health of the mother.  The other believes in abortion on demand, for any reason and at any point during pregnancy.  It is wrong to say they are the same.

Fair enough. I wasn't really clear what I was getting at, but the fact is that there are probably very few politicians who have zero tolerance for abortion. (Note: very few not aren't any.) Those who are against abortion 100% of the time are marginalized. It seems there is some carve-out for nearly every politician whether it is rape, incest, or danger to the life of the mother. I cannot for the life of me understand how someone who calls himself Catholic can make any exception. That is between him and God, since it is God's law and He is the Judge of the living and the dead. As I have been told many times regarding other situations, " We have to work with what we have."

Pray to stop all abortions! Heaven help us.
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Working with what we have has lead to only further blasphemy and injustice.  Perhaps what we have is not workable.

Maybe when the people stop participating in this two-party hogwash things will change.  Until then we're just feeding into their power.
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(08-30-2012, 01:33 PM)Walty Wrote: Working with what we have has lead to only further blasphemy and injustice.  Perhaps what we have is not workable.

Maybe when the people stop participating in this two-party hogwash things will change.  Until then we're just feeding into their power.

Of course.

Time to create the Catholic League of Non-Voters.

The alternative is to feed the beast. We know too much and think we have the power to change things. It is an illusion and a delusion.

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(08-30-2012, 01:33 PM)Walty Wrote: Working with what we have has lead to only further blasphemy and injustice.  Perhaps what we have is not workable.

Maybe when the people stop participating in this two-party hogwash things will change.  Until then we're just feeding into their power.

How is anyone going to convince + or - 130,000,000 voters to abstain? Nope it won't work. We get the rulers we deserve.
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(08-30-2012, 03:54 PM)OldMan Wrote:
(08-30-2012, 01:33 PM)Walty Wrote: Working with what we have has lead to only further blasphemy and injustice.  Perhaps what we have is not workable.

Maybe when the people stop participating in this two-party hogwash things will change.  Until then we're just feeding into their power.

How is anyone going to convince + or - 130,000,000 voters to abstain? Nope it won't work. We get the rulers we deserve.

So because it's difficult to convince others not to, we should vote for evil?
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I can't see where Adam's League of Catholic No-Voters would do anything. Better I think a League of Catholic Voters. I'm not sure how to go about this, my tempermant is more observe, analyze, and summarize. There has to be some fisheaters that have some ideas how to start. E. Michael Jones has spoken about how when Hollywood of the 30's started to promote porn they were beaten back by Catholics with their economic power, that's not going to the movies. That resulted in the Motion Picture Code and the Legion of Decency. 

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tim
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(08-30-2012, 03:54 PM)OldMan Wrote:
(08-30-2012, 01:33 PM)Walty Wrote: Working with what we have has lead to only further blasphemy and injustice.  Perhaps what we have is not workable.

Maybe when the people stop participating in this two-party hogwash things will change.  Until then we're just feeding into their power.

How is anyone going to convince + or - 130,000,000 voters to abstain? Nope it won't work. We get the rulers we deserve.

Americans must be evil then with Obama and Romney to choose from.

Not that Brits are any better, but we must be improving, I guess, because we got rid of that sorry shit Tony Blair and his apostate whore of a wife.
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#18
Republican = the new Whig.
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How far we have fallen putting a false sect Mormonism on par with Jesus's only church. Didn't we get warned in Scripture that even if an angel preached a different gospel....................well the Angel Moroni gave Joseph Smith his tablets (which no one can find) Guess the Angel Moroni was a fallen angel giving us the book of Mormon to undermine the Bible.
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(08-30-2012, 04:10 PM)Tim Wrote: I can't see where Adam's League of Catholic No-Voters would do anything. Better I think a League of Catholic Voters. I'm not sure how to go about this, my tempermant is more observe, analyze, and summarize. There has to be some fisheaters that have some ideas how to start. E. Michael Jones has spoken about how when Hollywood of the 30's started to promote porn they were beaten back by Catholics with their economic power, that's not going to the movies. That resulted in the Motion Picture Code and the Legion of Decency. 

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tim

Well considering that our choices have been abortion and war, or war and abortion, how can we flex our muscle in any meaningful way. The Legion of Decency was successful because we still had our neighborhoods and our identity. Things are different now.

A Catholic League of Non-Voters, as I would see it, would call abortion evil for everyone. Contraception evil. If enough bishops joined and real leadership emerged, it could become a story and a movement. Of course this depends on personal holiness and at least trying to live a life of grace. Not just beating our chests to point fingers.

Gerald Celente talks about the idea of trying to promote the No Vote to get us under 40%. He is not coming from a religious perspective. Just a fed up American.

I would imagine it would involve canvassing. Speaking to parishes. Showing up with picket signs on election days. It could be done. It could eventually yield real power. It may make actual Catholics emerge as candidates.

Look, as far as I'm concerned the Mass being changed was tragic and is a big problem. But, I still think that the takeover of our neighborhoods and moving us to God awful suburbs was the real back breaker. They moved us on out. The opposite of George Jefferson. How could we fight the new Mass when we were not where we really felt comfortable to begin with. Everything was changing.

I don't see how voting can possibly help at this point. So I'm just looking for the next alternative.

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