Benedict: Take Joy in the Good of our Separated Brethren
(10-22-2012, 09:27 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: [quote='James02' pid='1094907' dateline='1350920983']
Vox, you see nothing wrong with this?  Not even a little problem?  Just a great speech?

[quote='Pope Leo'] The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium

Leo the Great Wrote:"Wherefore, since outside the Catholic Church there is nothing undefiled, the Apostle declaring that 'all that is not of faith is sin,' we are in no way likened with those who are divided from the unity of the Body of Christ; we are joined in no communion"

Pope Benedict Wrote:  It can also occur that in the Church herself sometimes there is a failure to value and to appreciate, in a spirit of profound communion, the good things done by various ecclesial groups.

Hat tip to southpaw.
Quote:No, I don't see anything wrong. Read what I wrote. There is either some level of communion or there is no communion. Pope Leo wasn't talking to Prots; they weren't around yet. Neither was Leo. Protestants -- those with valid Baptism -- are members of the Church though manifest heretics, and are beholden to the Pope whether they know it or not. I.e., they are not "outside Catholic communion and alien to the Church" totally. There is "communion" insofar as there are shared Baptism and doctrine. They are wrong in some matter or another and need to be preached the fullness of the Truth. Your typical EWTNer understand this just fine because the point has been stressed to the detriment of many other Truths, but it's still true. But if the CAF types can get this, I'm sure trads can, too.

i'm sorry vox but i'm confused, what is the difference between protestants and these heretics? You do realise that there were validly baptised heretics back then right? Regardless have you not seen the numerous authors and no less than three theological manuals which claim that heretics are cut off from the church, validly baptised or not, unless they are in good faith i.e invincibly ignorant? Can anyone bring up any pre conciliar sources to support these assertions? i, for one, would like to read them, as the leading manualists i.e tanquerey, ott etc... clearly state otherwise

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Re: Benedict: Take Joy in the Good of our Separated Brethren - by TrentCath - 10-23-2012, 05:26 AM

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