Voting as a Catholic is CONFUSING!
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(10-11-2012, 05:04 PM)MorganHiver Wrote: How is Romney a socialist? He doesn't seems to possess any of the socialist traits.

Romney is a Socialist because he is for the continuation of all the Socialist policies already put in place over the last 70 years or so. He put in place in his home state of Mass., RomeyCare, a universal healthcare plan very similar to the infamous ObamaCare.

Plus, Romney supported TARP; he supported Obama's trillion dollar "stimulus" package; he supported the UAW/ GM bailout; Romney does not support the FairTax or any other alternative to eliminate the IRS and income taxes.

In short, Romney is just a Socialist to a slightly lesser degree than Obama.

In this country, we have a two party system that is really a one party system. Your choices are:

Democrat Party=Socialist/Marxist party

Or

Republican Party=Socialist Lite Party; 1/3 Less Socialism, tastes great, less filling!
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#12
I'll vote straight Repub for all lesser elections, but I'm not voting for Romney. If it means that the Repubs lose their bid for the Presidency then so be it. They deserve to lose until they put forward a pro-life candidate.
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#13
I agree with the OP, it is confusing.

Don't pro-choice people say Romney is Pro-Life (aka anti-women, as they would have it)?

How would unborn children vote?  Children conceived in rape or incest, or by a mother with "health" issues, would not be glad for Romney to win.  But would they not vote at all? It is all very well to say Republicans and the country deserve what they get if Obama wins.  But unborn children don't deserve what they'll get.

Obama not only believes in evil things but he is PROUD of doing so.  There is virtually no chance he'll change.  Romney may be a hypocrite but "hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue". 

Is it better to let things go bad RIGHT NOW, or to try to slow it down?  More evil will be done if we let it start right now. I'm not sure what the answer but I think there is a practical moral issue here, not just an idealist issue.  ACTUALLY saving children now, even in the next 4 years, is a real priority.
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#14
(10-11-2012, 05:04 PM)MorganHiver Wrote: How is Romney a socialist? He doesn't seems to possess any of the socialist traits.

Romney and Obama are both liberals. The idea that either one is a socialist is just rhetoric.
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#15
It seems to me that there are 3 choices here, non of them ideal.

The Obama administration is like a train speeding toward a group of pedestrians.  If you vote for him, the train speeds up.  If you vote for Romney, it slows down.  If you don't vote, it keeps moving at the same speed.

Sadly, at this point, I'd be thrilled with a slow down.

One of the major issues with elected office is that the candidates who have any chance of being elected will present views in line with what the majority think.  Therefore, when a society has become so corrupt and sick the way ours is, we will never get a good candidate as a nominee because people will (rightly) view such a candidate as unelectable in the current climate.

This is a battle of culture, of values.  And it's a battle that's going to go on for a long time yet.

How do we win?

Well, public opinion needs to be on the side of life.  And that needs to happen one person at a time.  We need to chip away at the selfishness that causes people to choose the death penality for their children so that they may live the way they choose.  We need to chip away at the same selfishness that causes people to contracept.  By word and by example, we need to make the traditional family something that is valued once again.

Because when public opinion stands up for something, the candidates follow.
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#16
(10-11-2012, 08:21 PM)Crusading Philologist Wrote:
(10-11-2012, 05:04 PM)MorganHiver Wrote: How is Romney a socialist? He doesn't seems to possess any of the socialist traits.

Romney and Obama are both liberals. The idea that either one is a socialist is just rhetoric.

Just rhetoric? What do you call a government controlled health care system;trillion dollar "stimulus" packages; the government deciding what companies are "too big to fail" and which ones aren't; government takeover of automobile companies and banking institutions;a heavily progressive tax system; the giant government run Ponzi scheme called Social Security?

This is not mere rhetoric. This economy is a mixed economy; half Socialist, half Capitalist. The trend is not towards more freedom, the trend is towards always more and more government control and intervention into people's lives.

By the way check out Mitt Romney trying to be more liberal than Ted Kennedy on abortion. 



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#17
Well, if one votes Romney, just to slow down the train, don't you think that it will be a long, drawn out, agonizing explosion, hitting small towns, one by one until it finally reaches everyone? I do know that I will never be republican, and obviously I can not be democrat, as the views of the current party is in total opposition to my religious views.
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#18
Isn't there a Catholic alternative in the US?  Like a fringe or small party or something?  In Canada, I often find myself voting for someone like that as all the big party candidates are pro- baby killing, pro-unnatural marriage, etc.  doesn't matter which party. 
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#19
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/mitt...d=17442587

Catholics should not vote for either of the two.

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(10-11-2012, 10:38 PM)Allan Wrote: Isn't there a Catholic alternative in the US?  Like a fringe or small party or something?  In Canada, I often find myself voting for someone like that as all the big party candidates are pro- baby killing, pro-unnatural marriage, etc.  doesn't matter which party. 

Well, there's nothing like Christian Heritage or Social Credit, that's for sure.
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