What's wrong with the traditional Latinist movement
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(10-22-2012, 05:56 PM)Scriptorium Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 05:03 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 04:11 PM)TS Aquinas Wrote: You are correct, it is the Church's judgement

No, it's God's.

Let's just clarify that the Church does have the power from Jesus to bind and loose in the person of the Pope (Mt 16:19), and the college of bishops together under the Pope (Mt 18:18-19). The Church may judge with Christ's authority, and God will execute that judgement. But we for our part should not take that upon our lowly selves, but leave it up to God in His wisdom.

"College of Bishops", oh goodness. You really do love Vatican II terminology these days don't you?  :eyeroll:
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#32
At least we can all agree that the OP had some pretty pictures.  :grin:
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#33
Hey, is the OP being legalistic and judgmental about our alleged legalism and judgmentalism?  :LOL:
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(10-18-2012, 10:03 PM)sw85 Wrote:
(10-18-2012, 06:34 PM)randomtradguy Wrote:
(10-18-2012, 12:35 PM)sw85 Wrote:
(10-18-2012, 08:36 AM)newyorkcatholic Wrote: The actual quotes seem profitable. They are applicable to all, however, and there's nothing in the post justifying the targeting of Latin Rite Catholics.

Perhaps Melkite could think about this and modify the post.

I'm just not sure what the connection is between Latinism and scholasticism. If he is Melkite (i.e., Melkite rite in communion with Rome), scholasticism is his theological tradition, too.

False.
The Melkite Catholic Church is a separate church hierarchy, admitting that the pope is the rock of faith and unity. There is no 'Melkite rite'. Scholasticism is foreign to Eastern Christians. It's a part of their universal church heritage, but not for daily praxis and spiritual guidance.

To be in communion with the Pope (as the Melkite Catholics are) they must accept the Church's teachings, no? Those teachings, at least as concern matters of morality, derive in large part from scholasticism. That's what I meant. Is that not true?

Melkite Catholics commune with the pope, but they don't speak of things in the scholastic way. The Catholic church isn't scholastic, and too many people don't get that. Some catholics are. "The Church" is certainly not 100% scholastic.
No, Christian morality comes from God and the Fathers. Aquinas didn't make up morality.
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(10-18-2012, 09:18 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(10-18-2012, 06:34 PM)randomtradguy Wrote: False.
The Melkite Catholic Church is a separate church hierarchy, admitting that the pope is the rock of faith and unity. There is no 'Melkite rite'. Scholasticism is foreign to Eastern Christians. It's a part of their universal church heritage, but not for daily praxis and spiritual guidance.

True, but they are not Latin Rite, they are Byzantine Rite. It is true that scholasticism is foreign to most Easterners both Catholic and Schismatic, tho' I thank God for Georgios Scholarios, the schismatic Patriarch of Constantinople, Gennadius II, a scholastic who was instrumental in my conversion to Catholicism.

I am aware of what his life meant for your conversion, but didn't he renounce scholasticism after Mehmed II took over Constantinople? I read he went from pro Latin scholastic to Latin hating anti scholastic in a second after the Sultan took over.
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(10-22-2012, 05:39 PM)TS Aquinas Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 05:03 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 04:11 PM)TS Aquinas Wrote: You are correct, it is the Church's judgement

No, it's God's.

Who has infallibly spoke through the Church that no one remaining in communion with her is saved.

Actually, I wouldn't be so extreme. I do believe that people who remain in communion with the Roman Church can be saved.
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(10-22-2012, 05:03 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 04:11 PM)TS Aquinas Wrote: You are correct, it is the Church's judgement

No, it's God's.
The Church is part of Christ.
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(10-23-2012, 12:19 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 05:39 PM)TS Aquinas Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 05:03 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 04:11 PM)TS Aquinas Wrote: You are correct, it is the Church's judgement

No, it's God's.

Who has infallibly spoke through the Church that no one remaining in communion with her is saved.

Actually, I wouldn't be so extreme. I do believe that people who remain in communion with the Roman Church can be saved.

Well, that's mighty white of you for a protestant! :LOL:
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#39
(10-23-2012, 05:48 PM)Old Salt Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 05:03 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 04:11 PM)TS Aquinas Wrote: You are correct, it is the Church's judgement

No, it's God's.
The Church is part of Christ.

And yet she is not Christ to whom alone pertains the judgment of souls.
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#40
(10-23-2012, 08:41 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(10-23-2012, 12:19 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 05:39 PM)TS Aquinas Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 05:03 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(10-22-2012, 04:11 PM)TS Aquinas Wrote: You are correct, it is the Church's judgement

No, it's God's.

Who has infallibly spoke through the Church that no one remaining in communion with her is saved.

Actually, I wouldn't be so extreme. I do believe that people who remain in communion with the Roman Church can be saved.

Well, that's mighty white of you for a protestant! :LOL:

Well, I guess a bit of humour never hurt anyone.
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