For those that follow the Fatima stuff closely: Is this good news?
(10-27-2012, 11:55 AM)DrBombay Wrote:
(10-27-2012, 05:11 AM)Walty Wrote:
(10-25-2012, 09:44 PM)DrBombay Wrote:
(10-25-2012, 08:02 PM)Carthusian Wrote:
(10-25-2012, 07:35 PM)Tim Wrote: but if Pope Benedict XVI orders it and they refuse tt co-operate it's on them and the Consecration is good.

Is this what Our Lady said?  She gave this caveat of dissenting bishops in her message? 

See, how it works is this.  The Pope must specifically mention the word Russia in the Consecration, otherwise the incantation is void.  But "all the bishops of the world" is a fluid term.  It could actually mean only the Bishop of Rome if all the other bishops refuse to do it.  In fact, Our Lady might accept the Consecration even if not done by the bishop of Rome, simply if Fr. Gruner wills it.  He wears a threadbare cassock you know.     :tiphat:


Come now, Walty.  You don't find it a bit odd that the word "Russia" must be specifically mentioned by the Pope in order for the Consecration to take but the stipulation that all the world's bishops participate is mutable and subject to a dozen different interpretations?  Why is "Russia" so particular and specific but "all the world's bishops" so vague, hmmmm? If the Grunerites were as generous in interpreting the "Russia" clause as they are in interpreting the "bishops" clause they would've accepted the Consecration years ago and we all would have moved along.  Of course, that wouldn't have been as profitable for certain fashion challenged clerics but it would've been much more spiritually healthy for the rest of us.

The second stipulation remains.  All Tim said (I think it was Tim) is that the pope could conceivably excommunicate every bishop unwilling to comply with the command to participate with the consecration.  That's not vagueness or wiggle room in the stipulation.  All the bishops of the Catholic Church must do the consecration.  That's still being claimed. But if Pope Benedict really thought he should get this done, and if he really met up with some hostility (and I'm sure he would, at least from some bishops), then this would be the only way to get it done.

The stipulation isn't changing.  It's just a speculation on how a pope would actually be able to get all his flock to submit.

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Re: For those that follow the Fatima stuff closely: Is this good news? - by Walty - 10-27-2012, 12:28 PM

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