Documentary on Northern Irish Troubles
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(11-01-2012, 02:23 AM)Walty Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 01:41 AM)Poche Wrote: I think that we need a new strategy for how we relate to one another. This type of hatred against the Protestants doesn't do anything to promote the Catholic faith to other people. 


Enough kowtowing.  That land is rightfully the land of Irish Catholics who have been murdered by the English.



"This land was always ours
it was the the proud land of our fathers
it belongs to us and them
not to any of the others..."
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#12
(11-01-2012, 04:14 AM)Poche Wrote: It makes the catholics look bad.
Stop being influenced by secular values and thinking about everything in terms of aesthetics. Image is the way of the pagan. Truth is much above that.
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#13
(11-01-2012, 12:10 PM)Montgisard Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 04:14 AM)Poche Wrote: It makes the catholics look bad.
Stop being influenced by secular values and thinking about everything in terms of aesthetics. Image is the way of the pagan. Truth is much above that.

But truth and beauty are one.

Anyway, this is just tribalistic posturing on the part of overzealous "Irish Americans." It's like Jesse Jackson and others who constantly demand reparations. By the way, we should remember that antinomianism is a heresy.
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#14
(11-01-2012, 01:41 AM)Poche Wrote: I think that we need a new strategy for how we relate to one another. This type of hatred against the Protestants doesn't do anything to promote the Catholic faith to other people.

Did you watch the video?  If so, what are you referring to?
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#15
I understand that many faithful Catholics are actually loyalists, because they recognize the IRA and other nationalist groups as socialist.
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#16
Senseless killing of the other side and ecumenism are opposing paths, both of which are wrong, both of which are harmful to the soul.

I bet you those Protestant kids don't even follow whatever Protestant beliefs their ancestors held, and the IRA is DEFINITELY not Catholic, as they include leftist ideologies into their agenda.

I'm all for the Irish getting what's theirs back.  The English were treating the Irish like they were less than dirt even BEFORE the Protestant Revolution. 

But not at the cost of compromising Catholic belief, as the IRA does.  The ends and means must justify each other.
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#17
If anything will pull DK back, it will be this thread.

Here is one of my favorite songsÖ

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#18
(11-01-2012, 02:01 PM)Crusading Philologist Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 12:10 PM)Montgisard Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 04:14 AM)Poche Wrote: It makes the catholics look bad.
Stop being influenced by secular values and thinking about everything in terms of aesthetics. Image is the way of the pagan. Truth is much above that.

But truth and beauty are one.

Anyway, this is just tribalistic posturing on the part of overzealous "Irish Americans." It's like Jesse Jackson and others who constantly demand reparations. By the way, we should remember that antinomianism is a heresy.

Caring about one's heritage and the truth in history is not "tribalistic posturing", no matter how many inflammatory, rude comments you make to try change that. No one here said they agreed with how the IRA and other insurgent organizations handled, and still handle, the situation. What we were protesting was the secular stereotype of violent, aggressive Catholics terrorizing the victimized English settlers, which is a maliciously inaccurate image.
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#19
Ireland has been occupied for 800 years. Depending on who has the crown, the English have been waring with Ireland with a fast or slow genocide for centuries. While it is true that there are factions within the resistence that are socialist, that does not change the fact that the Irish people have a right to their own land.

Expecting the Irish to kiss and make up with the English is about as ignorant as asking any couple of groups in the ME to do the same. Blood has been shed, wives raped and murdered, husbands tortured and shipped to foreign lands, children left to starve to death...These things are in your blood, and the Irish don't forget, nor shall we ever.
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#20
(11-01-2012, 10:24 PM)TraditionalistThomas Wrote: What we were protesting was the secular stereotype of violent, aggressive Catholics terrorizing the victimized English settlers, which is a maliciously inaccurate image.

But that isn't the stereotype, is it? When the vast majority of people, including secular people, think about Northern Ireland, they think about stereotypical, evil English gentlemen--the great villains of history--oppressing a bunch of plucky, Irish underdogs. I doubt very many people realize that there are plenty of people in Ulster who do not want to become part of the Republic of Ireland.

All I'm saying is that seeing Americans of Irish descent attempting to convince everyone else that they are a victim group like blacks or homosexuals is embarrassing.
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