Documentary on Northern Irish Troubles
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(11-01-2012, 10:52 PM)verenaerin Wrote: Ireland has been occupied for 800 years. Depending on who has the crown, the English have been waring with Ireland with a fast or slow genocide for centuries. While it is true that there are factions within the resistence that are socialist, that does not change the fact that the Irish people have a right to their own land.

Expecting the Irish to kiss and make up with the English is about as ignorant as asking any couple of groups in the ME to do the same. Blood has been shed, wives raped and murdered, husbands tortured and shipped to foreign lands, children left to starve to death...These things are in your blood, and the Irish don't forget, nor shall we ever.

What's the ME, Verenaerin?
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(11-01-2012, 11:19 PM)per_passionem_eius Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 10:52 PM)verenaerin Wrote: Ireland has been occupied for 800 years. Depending on who has the crown, the English have been waring with Ireland with a fast or slow genocide for centuries. While it is true that there are factions within the resistence that are socialist, that does not change the fact that the Irish people have a right to their own land.

Expecting the Irish to kiss and make up with the English is about as ignorant as asking any couple of groups in the ME to do the same. Blood has been shed, wives raped and murdered, husbands tortured and shipped to foreign lands, children left to starve to death...These things are in your blood, and the Irish don't forget, nor shall we ever.

What's the ME, Verenaerin?

Oh, sorry, the Middle East.
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#23
(11-01-2012, 10:14 PM)Heinrich Wrote: If anything will pull DK back, it will be this thread.

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(11-01-2012, 11:25 PM)verenaerin Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 11:19 PM)per_passionem_eius Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 10:52 PM)verenaerin Wrote: Ireland has been occupied for 800 years. Depending on who has the crown, the English have been waring with Ireland with a fast or slow genocide for centuries. While it is true that there are factions within the resistence that are socialist, that does not change the fact that the Irish people have a right to their own land.

Expecting the Irish to kiss and make up with the English is about as ignorant as asking any couple of groups in the ME to do the same. Blood has been shed, wives raped and murdered, husbands tortured and shipped to foreign lands, children left to starve to death...These things are in your blood, and the Irish don't forget, nor shall we ever.

What's the ME, Verenaerin?

Oh, sorry, the Middle East.

Thanks. 

Yes, what you say is true.
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(11-01-2012, 10:24 PM)TraditionalistThomas Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 02:01 PM)Crusading Philologist Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 12:10 PM)Montgisard Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 04:14 AM)Poche Wrote: It makes the catholics look bad.
Stop being influenced by secular values and thinking about everything in terms of aesthetics. Image is the way of the pagan. Truth is much above that.

But truth and beauty are one.

Anyway, this is just tribalistic posturing on the part of overzealous "Irish Americans." It's like Jesse Jackson and others who constantly demand reparations. By the way, we should remember that antinomianism is a heresy.

Caring about one's heritage and the truth in history is not "tribalistic posturing", no matter how many inflammatory, rude comments you make to try change that. No one here said they agreed with how the IRA and other insurgent organizations handled, and still handle, the situation. What we were protesting was the secular stereotype of violent, aggressive Catholics terrorizing the victimized English settlers, which is a maliciously inaccurate image.

Trolls gonna troll.
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(11-01-2012, 10:59 PM)Crusading Philologist Wrote:
(11-01-2012, 10:24 PM)TraditionalistThomas Wrote: What we were protesting was the secular stereotype of violent, aggressive Catholics terrorizing the victimized English settlers, which is a maliciously inaccurate image.

But that isn't the stereotype, is it? When the vast majority of people, including secular people, think about Northern Ireland, they think about stereotypical, evil English gentlemen--the great villains of history--oppressing a bunch of plucky, Irish underdogs. I doubt very many people realize that there are plenty of people in Ulster who do not want to become part of the Republic of Ireland.

All I'm saying is that seeing Americans of Irish descent attempting to convince everyone else that they are a victim group like blacks or homosexuals is embarrassing.

The Irish were treated like dogs when they came over to America. Ever hear of "N.I.N.A."? That's the sign businesses would put out meaning,"No Irish Need Apply". To have an Irish work for you was an embarressment.

Also, lets talk about the Irish that were kidnapped and sold as slaves in Barbados. They were driven off their land or just kidnapped in the streets, and put on slave ships to work on plantations. They were treated as slaves. Most historians say about 50000. Where are they now? They don't exist, they were annihilated off the planet, to the point there are no real ancestors to speak of.

The crimes against humanity that the English committed against the Irish go throughout the centuries. IT wasn't enought to subdue a population, no, they intended on destroying a culture, a faith, and a people completely.
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#27
The church (now a basilica) in the first Catholic parish in Toronto (St. Paul's) has a plaque on one of its walls commemorating the Irish who came here during the 'famine' and died of typhus soon after arriving.  It says these people were buried just east of the church.  But if you look for the cemetery you can't find it because it's covered by the playground of a Catholic school.  I've never looked into how that came to be.  It disturbs me.
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#28
Thank God these people were Catholic and I hope are all in Heaven. The sufferings they had to endure are just heartbreaking.
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#29
I still say that we need a new strategy. The old stragegy is not working. It ends up with the same predictable result. If we use a new strategy we can win. You need to remember, Jesus said "Go out and preach the Gospel to the whole world." He didn't say "go out and preach the gospel to the whole world except those Protestatns in Northern Ireland" he also diodn't say "love your neighbor, except in the event that your neighbor happens to be a Protestant in Northern ireland."
 

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#30
The Church has preached to all men, including N. Irish protestants, and whilst there is animosity, there is no hatred.

If anything, it's the lovey dovey, conciliar ecumania that has been a failure.
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