Documentary on Northern Irish Troubles
#41
Mike Voris did a video on Ireland, and it's just as bad as the rest of Europe.
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#42
I've often wondered why the land of saints and scholars was so sorely afflicted for so long.  I know God tries the ones He loves the hardest.  Maybe that's why.
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#43
(11-02-2012, 11:46 AM)per_passionem_eius Wrote: I've often wondered why the land of saints and scholars was so sorely afflicted for so long.  I know God tries the ones He loves the hardest.  Maybe that's why.

The same could be applied to my motherland, the Philippines, one of the only two Catholic nations in Asia. Enduring almost yearly destructive typhoons and a majoirty of its people in abject poverty, one sometimes wonders why in comparison to its secular neigbors the Philippines is always suffering the most. Even it may just be the Novus Ordo, the vast majority of Filipinos in the Philippines have kept the faith and for the most part attend  Mass, unlike many Irish who have lost any faith whatsoever. The old adage that suffering brings one closer to God applies then.
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#44
There have been, without doubt, grave injustices against the Irish in general, but also Catholics, by the English.

But Ulster is British, the IRA are A. not really the "Irish Republican Army" which became the army of the Republic of Ireland and B. A bunch of commie drug assholes.
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#45
A few things to know about the North. One, the fighting didn't achieve anything. It was bad on both sides, and in the end it really didn't get much done. The recent accords has achieved much. The Irish language is spreading beyond republican circles, celtic/irish culture is on the rise, the opening of the borders between the 6 and the 26 counties, and there is much more of a sentiment of moving on. The people who are there who come from the Scottish have just a right to be there as the Irish. It is their home just as much as Europeans have a right to live in the USA. Lastly, the tricolor was about the green and orange finding the peace in the white. There is still a lot of hate and division left, but the fighting and the efforts to reunite the two by swallowing the North will just set things back. The North probably will become an independent state before going over to Ireland. That's just a fact. but we're closer to a united Ireland much more now than when there was fighting.
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(11-02-2012, 12:13 PM)dueSicile Wrote: But Ulster is British, the IRA are A. not really the "Irish Republican Army" which became the army of the Republic of Ireland and B. A bunch of commie drug assholes.

I agree with this.
(11-02-2012, 11:59 AM)Christknight104 Wrote:
(11-02-2012, 11:46 AM)per_passionem_eius Wrote: I've often wondered why the land of saints and scholars was so sorely afflicted for so long.  I know God tries the ones He loves the hardest.  Maybe that's why.

The same could be applied to my motherland, the Philippines, one of the only two Catholic nations in Asia. Enduring almost yearly destructive typhoons and a majoirty of its people in abject poverty, one sometimes wonders why in comparison to its secular neigbors the Philippines is always suffering the most. Even it may just be the Novus Ordo, the vast majority of Filipinos in the Philippines have kept the faith and for the most part attend  Mass, unlike many Irish who have lost any faith whatsoever. The old adage that suffering brings one closer to God applies then.

There is a lot of piety, but doctrinally the country is a wasteland. The enemies are also advancing on morality.
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(11-02-2012, 12:24 PM)Scriptorium Wrote: A few things to know about the North. One, the fighting didn't achieve anything. It was bad on both sides, and in the end it really didn't get much done. The recent accords has achieved much. The Irish language is spreading beyond republican circles, celtic/irish culture is on the rise, the opening of the borders between the 6 and the 26 counties, and there is much more of a sentiment of moving on. The people who are there who come from the Scottish have just a right to be there as the Irish. It is their home just as much as Europeans have a right to live in the USA. Lastly, the tricolor was about the green and orange finding the peace in the white. There is still a lot of hate and division left, but the fighting and the efforts to reunite the two by swallowing the North will just set things back. The North probably will become an independent state before going over to Ireland. That's just a fact. but we're closer to a united Ireland much more now than when there was fighting.

Some would say the 'accords' were only successful insofar as people were sick of the war, as they were in the 20s when Ireland was divided.  Don't forget to mention the spies that were outed just after the 'accord'.  And I don't think anyone has anything against the Scots and would want them exiled.

An independent North would be excellent as long as it wasn't socialist.
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(11-02-2012, 12:46 PM)Phillipus Iacobus Wrote: There is a lot of piety, but doctrinally the country is a wasteland. The enemies are also advancing on morality.

And in a timely manner the priestly abuse crises hit the fan. And like clockwork the vocations are hitting the floor. The Irish won't be lost in the end, but they are having a really hard time right now. Going from Maynooth Catholicism to post-Vatican II banality, Celtic Tiger, consumerism, etc. They're drinking from the poisoned cup, and have just started to feel the ill effects. Same thing in Poland, sans abuse crisis.
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(11-02-2012, 01:53 PM)Scriptorium Wrote:
(11-02-2012, 12:46 PM)Phillipus Iacobus Wrote: There is a lot of piety, but doctrinally the country is a wasteland. The enemies are also advancing on morality.

And in a timely manner the priestly abuse crises hit the fan. And like clockwork the vocations are hitting the floor. The Irish won't be lost in the end, but they are having a really hard time right now. Going from Maynooth Catholicism to post-Vatican II banality, Celtic Tiger, consumerism, etc. They're drinking from the poisoned cup, and have just started to feel the ill effects. Same thing in Poland, sans abuse crisis.

It's like that everywhere, isn't it? Latin America, the Philippines, the few patches of Europe that were always bastions of the Faith just wrecked, or, as Romney would say, crushed, these last few decades.
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