ArchBishop Lefebvre sounds more like Bshp Fellay than Williamson
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http://www.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/...t_1983.htm

Archbishop Lefebvre: why the SSPX uses the 1962 missal

The Mass of All Time: 1984 priestly ordinations at Ridgefield, CT

Letter to American Friends & Benefactors from Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre

April 28, 1983

Ridgefield, Connecticut



Dear Friends and Benefactors,



What was latent for many years in the relations between most of the priests of the North-East District and the Society of St. Pius X, and was the object of continual difficulties, has just come out into the open by the support given by these priests to the refusal of the Society’s liturgy by one of the three young priests I ordained at Oyster Bay Cove on November 3, 1982.



Thus, their long-standing disagreement with myself and the Society has now become public rebellion. It is the result of an extremist way of thinking and a tendency to schism in the domain of the liturgy, the papacy, and the sacraments of the reform.



They reject the liturgy which has always been used in the Society and consider it evil, the liturgy of Pope Pius XII, signed by Pope John XXIII, and so, the liturgy preceding the Council. They think and behave as if there is no Pope, suppressing all prayers for the Pope. In practice, they tend to hold almost all the sacraments of the new rites to be invalid.



This radicalism is not the attitude of the Society.



The basic principle of the Society’s thinking and action in the painful crisis the Church is going through is the principle taught by St. Thomas Aquinas in the Summa Theologica (II, II, q. 33, a.4). That one may not oppose the authority of the Church except in the case of imminent danger to the Faith. Now, there is no danger for the Faith in the liturgy of Pope Pius XII and Pope John XXIII, whereas there is great danger for the Faith in the liturgy of Pope Paul VI, which is unacceptable.



The Society acts on the assumption that Pope John Paul II is Pope and so prays for him and strives to bring him back to Tradition by praying for him, by meeting with those around him, and by writing to him.



The Society does not say that all the sacraments according to the new post-conciliar rites are invalid, but that due to bad translations, the lack of proper intention, and the changes introduced in the matter and form, the number of invalid and doubtful sacraments is increasing. In order, then, to reach a decision in the practical order concerning the doubtfulness or invalidity of sacraments given by priests imbued with the ideas of the Council, a serious study of the various circumstances is necessary.



Many of you know the difficulties to which the attitude of these priests has given rise. Many of you have suffered from it and so will not be surprised by this clarification of the situation.



We regret not being able to come immediately to the assistance of those who wish to stay with the Society, but we will heed the requests of the faithful and, with the grace of God, we will come to your aid and we will keep you united to Rome and to the Church of all time.



So, henceforth, Fr. K---- is no longer District Superior; Fr. C---- is no longer District Bursar; Fr. S---- is no longer Rector of the Seminary. These priests, and the priests who follow them, and any seminarians who might follow them, are no longer members of the Society of St. Pius X, as of 27 April 1983. They no longer have any power, nor hold any office in the Society’s name.



Henceforth, if you have any inquiries concerning the Society in the North-East District, contact, at St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Ridgefield, Fr. Richard Williamson, who has been provisionally nominated District Superior, or Fr. Roger Petit, who has been nominated District Bursar.



Most of the seminarians are remaining with us and we shall, God willing, proceed with ordinations in the first days of November.



We count on your prayers so that we can carry on the work of the Society in the North-East District and especially at the Seminary henceforth entrusted to Fr. Richard Williamson. We ask you to continue to help us so that we can continue building up the traditional Catholic Church in America. Please pray for the 24 new priests I am going to ordain on June 29th.



May God bless you through the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary.



+ Marcel Lefebvre,

Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X

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I don't know what this has to do with Bp. Williamson. The dispute between Abp. Lefebvre and the "Nine" also did not have to deal with sedevacantism, as many people think.
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"The Society acts on the assumption that Pope John Paul II is Pope and so prays for him and strives to bring him back to Tradition by praying for him, by meeting with those around him, and by writing to him."

To assume that Pope John Paul II was the Roman Pontiff means to have assumed that he held the Faith (the 1917 Code was still in effect and Can. 188.4 required clerics to hold the Faith in order to hold ecclesiastical offices).  But the Faith is found in Tradition, which the Society believed Pope John Paul II to have strayed from.  Ergo...

The 800-lb. gorilla simply will not leave the room, will he?
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(12-21-2012, 07:23 PM)SouthpawLink Wrote: "The Society acts on the assumption that Pope John Paul II is Pope and so prays for him and strives to bring him back to Tradition by praying for him, by meeting with those around him, and by writing to him."

To assume that Pope John Paul II was the Roman Pontiff means to have assumed that he held the Faith (the 1917 Code was still in effect and Can. 188.4 required clerics to hold the Faith in order to hold ecclesiastical offices).  But the Faith is found in Tradition, which the Society believed Pope John Paul II to have strayed from.  Ergo...

The 800-lb. gorilla simply will not leave the room, will he?

I believe that the SSPX position is erroneous, but the situation is very complex. The SSPX has some theological objections to our position that they themselves don't see a way out of.

Ultimately, it should be remembered that in all their deals with the Vatican, with Benedict XVI, and so on, they want to be in a proper relationship with the man they think is Roman Pontiff. It's not that they want to join the Conciliar Church.
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It is an unprecedented crisis, the solution(s) will not be achieved easily, and we have absolutely no help from the top (where we should be able to place our trust), so I suppose it makes sense that people and groups will deal with it in various ways.  I would caution, though, against coming up with the novel notion of a "Conciliar Church" and would instead like to see those priests and bishops combatting the crisis to use divine and Canon Law to reach a proper conclusion about the "conciliarists."
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