Pope Slams Capitalism, Inequality Between Rich And Poor In New Years Message
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(01-02-2013, 02:23 AM)Crusading Philologist Wrote: Good for the Holy Father! Of course, he is both more traditional and more radical than those who mistakenly believe that usurious capitalism and totalitarian communism--two sides of the same coin, in truth--are the only options available to us today.

Exactly there is a middle way. It'll be fun to see the Neo-Con Catholics spew over this. Can''t wait to hear George Weigels take.
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(01-02-2013, 03:06 AM)The Dying Flutchman Wrote:
(01-02-2013, 02:23 AM)Crusading Philologist Wrote: Good for the Holy Father! Of course, he is both more traditional and more radical than those who mistakenly believe that usurious capitalism and totalitarian communism--two sides of the same coin, in truth--are the only options available to us today.

Exactly there is a middle way. It'll be fun to see the Neo-Con Catholics spew over this. Can''t wait to hear George Weigels take.

There is only one option left - free market capitalism.  Right now in North America, we have a perverted hybrid of socialism and capitalism.  That is the "middle way" and it blows. But it's still better than pure socialism. 
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(01-02-2013, 03:45 AM)PeterII Wrote:
(01-02-2013, 03:06 AM)The Dying Flutchman Wrote:
(01-02-2013, 02:23 AM)Crusading Philologist Wrote: Good for the Holy Father! Of course, he is both more traditional and more radical than those who mistakenly believe that usurious capitalism and totalitarian communism--two sides of the same coin, in truth--are the only options available to us today.

Exactly there is a middle way. It'll be fun to see the Neo-Con Catholics spew over this. Can''t wait to hear George Weigels take.

There is only one option left - free market capitalism.  Right now in North America, we have a perverted hybrid of socialism and capitalism.  That is the "middle way" and it blows. But it's still better than pure socialism. 

No, regulated Capitalism is what we need.  Free market NAFTA and over sea job outsourcing are what blows
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(01-02-2013, 04:09 AM)The Dying Flutchman Wrote:
(01-02-2013, 03:45 AM)PeterII Wrote:
(01-02-2013, 03:06 AM)The Dying Flutchman Wrote:
(01-02-2013, 02:23 AM)Crusading Philologist Wrote: Good for the Holy Father! Of course, he is both more traditional and more radical than those who mistakenly believe that usurious capitalism and totalitarian communism--two sides of the same coin, in truth--are the only options available to us today.

Exactly there is a middle way. It'll be fun to see the Neo-Con Catholics spew over this. Can''t wait to hear George Weigels take.

There is only one option left - free market capitalism.  Right now in North America, we have a perverted hybrid of socialism and capitalism.  That is the "middle way" and it blows. But it's still better than pure socialism. 

No, regulated Capitalism is what we need.  Free market NAFTA and over sea job outsourcing are what blows

Socilaism is regulation of markets - it's central planning!
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(01-02-2013, 12:01 AM)Pilgrim Wrote: All the issues that His Holiness talked about and only the comments about capitalism and wealth inequality made the headline?   ???

This.

And IMO it might be less than advisable for the Holy Father to feed into the class warfare mindset, however much he might not mean to.  There is a general attitude of bitterness toward the "haves" right now -- and such ill will is very un-Christian. The poor can be just as snobish -- and in my experence even more so -- than the rich, casting judgement on others based on their net worth.  So many of these people will twist the Pope's words to their own use.
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Just as central planning is terrible, unbridled free markets are too. It does not float all boats or Jesus Christ was wrong saying the poor you will always have with you. I personally would like to see a return to the meaning of economics, housekeeping. Have any of you noticed in business as life women are the best at making and ticking and tieing budgets ? Hm ? It's because it's as God made them, they are equipped to run a household and by extension they intuit keeping accounts.

As an aside the song O sole Mio, begins with the hanging of an Italian patriot by the wicked evil Austrians. Fits my mind's eye nicely. O sole Mio.

tim
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(01-02-2013, 07:04 AM)OCLittleFlower Wrote: So many of these people will twist the Pope's words to their own use.

That's going to happen no matter what he says, though.  In the end, he might as well take the stance that St. Laurence took:  that the poor are the wealth of the Church.

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Dr. Bombay Wrote:Television lighting is not conducive to prayer, in my opinion.  "Neither is the Novus Ordo" the Crunchy Trad responds.  Eye-roll

Why are you even here? Other than the fact you were banned from CAF for being a dick I mean. I'm pretty sure the consensus around here is that the NO is NOT conducive to prayer. If the "crunchy's" are the only ones that think that, then I'm at the wrong forum.
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#20
At the risk of getting myself shot.....

Can we PLEASE stop conflating capitalism with the idea of that mythical thing, the 'free market'?

Capitalism does not mean decentralised planning. Socialism does not mean centralised planning. Most advanced capitalist economies experience highly centralised decision-making. I'm not even talking about government 'interference'. I'm talking about the economic planning carried out by corporate elites. This isn't merely because the government facilitates it. It's because 'free markets' have inherently oligopolistic tendencies. The idealised Free Market (Hallowed be its Name) - in which perfect competition exists - self-destructs very quickly. A society in which economic power is in the hands of a tiny corporate elite is not necessarily more 'free' than one in which economic power in shared between corporate managers and democratically accountable institutions. Moreover, there is nothing in, say, US or Japanese models of government support for business that is contrary to the integrity of capitalism.

Capitalism refers to a specific mode of production - namely, one in which the surplus value extracted from an enterprise is legally the property of the capital provider. The opposite to capitalism is not 'central planning' - but democratic worker ownership and management. This, properly speaking, is what socialism means, notwithstanding the abuse of the word by Leninists and capitalists alike.
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