Where CAF Gets it Wrong
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(01-16-2013, 01:06 PM)Rosarium Wrote:
(01-16-2013, 12:48 PM)Adam_Michael Wrote: While the FE is strong in orthodoxy,

It is strong in a desire for orthodoxy, but whether it is, depends on the time.

Sentimentality often gets in the way. Far too much attention to the person.

That’s fair.

I acknowledge I don’t know a lot about traditional Catholicism.  I do however have a desire to learn and this website has been a great resource to me.

(01-16-2013, 01:11 PM)SMKMI Wrote:
(01-16-2013, 12:48 PM)Adam_Michael Wrote: What the CAF lacks in orthodoxy they often possess in charity.

While the FE is strong in orthodoxy, some of its members often leave very much to be desired in the way of charity.  In fact some responses are sometimes so unloving it actually breaks my heart a bit to see it on a “Catholic” forum.

These are the reason why I do not post on CAF, and rarely post on FE.  I often refrain from posting because I know certain posters will lambast me.

If I am in error, then educate me, don’t ridicule me.

I almost addressed this in the “Downtick” thread started by Allan.

(http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...=3456407.0 )

Anyways, I am done with my “woe is me” sob story; let’s answer some CAF questions.

Quick note: on your Christmas Mass thread I, for some reason, thought you were Adam Wayne, not Adam Michael (different avatar and all!); since Adam WAYNE is so outspoken on certain topics, I went full-auto.

I apologize for that mix-up.

Apology accepted.

That is not the first time I have been mistaken for him.  Maybe I should ask to have my user name changed.

(01-16-2013, 01:25 PM)Warrenton Wrote: In general, CAF suffers from historical shortsightedness. 

This is a good point.  It is something I notice among NO Catholics in general, and is also a personal shortcoming for myself.  I am working on it however.

(01-16-2013, 01:53 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote:
(01-16-2013, 12:48 PM)Adam_Michael Wrote: What the CAF lacks in orthodoxy they often possess in charity.

While the FE is strong in orthodoxy, some of its members often leave very much to be desired in the way of charity.  In fact some responses are sometimes so unloving it actually breaks my heart a bit to see it on a “Catholic” forum.

These are the reason why I do not post on CAF, and rarely post on FE.  I often refrain from posting because I know certain posters will lambast me.

If I am in error, then educate me, don’t ridicule me.

I almost addressed this in the “Downtick” thread started by Allan.

(http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...=3456407.0 )

Anyways, I am done with my “woe is me” sob story; let’s answer some CAF questions.

I've been purging those uncharitable, snarky types from this pace. I'd been sick of it a for long time and begged them to stop but they didn't. So hang in there. And if you see such a thing, report it to me using the Report to Moderator button (or however it's phrased) at the bottom of the relevant post.

I have never reported a specific person and I am reluctant in doing so.  It just seems like a tattle-tale sort of thing to do.  I usually just wallow in my hurt feelings until I manage to snap out of it and offer it up.

(01-16-2013, 02:37 PM)iona_scribe Wrote: I didn't get kicked out (I'm saving it for a worthy cause :grin:) but after posting on CAF for about 2 years, I started to notice that posters were asking regular everyday Catholicism questions in the Traditional subforum that could have easily been filed under other categories.  There was definitely a sense that if you wanted a "real" answer with minimal nonsense, then you ask the trads.  I started lurking on the Fisheaters forum around this time.

Probably the last thread I ever started there or posted on was this: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=475675
I asked a serious theological question about the charismatic/neo-cath concept of "victim soul" and nobody seemed to know what I was talking about, with the exception of Shin who took the time to direct me to St. Anselm to make sure I had a proper understanding of atonement theology.  I realized that he was also a member of Fisheaters, and that if I wanted to have that level of discussion I should just come here. And sure enough, there was a thread on FE from 2 years prior where my question was answered in the second post: http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...786.0.html

By the way Vox, Shin is the very soul of charity, so don't get too discouraged thinking that you have a forum full of meanies ;)

There are lots of charitable folks here.  Not everyone is a big meanie.
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(01-16-2013, 03:03 PM)Adam_Michael Wrote: I have never reported a specific person and I am reluctant in doing so.  It just seems like a tattle-tale sort of thing to do.  I usually just wallow in my hurt feelings until I manage to snap out of it and offer it up.

I've never been a person to report either, but over on CAF I started fighting fire with fire.  I think ONE reason so many trads will get banned there and others don't is because the CAFeteria Catholics live with their mouse cursor on the report button.  Trads, on the other hand, are so used to authority dismissing them that it's seen as a waste of time.   Maybe it is.  Still, I'm fairly certain I got one person (not a trad!) suspended over there because I decided to hit back the wimpy way.  :LOL:
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#13
And ironically enough, I had a "pastoral administrator nun" a few years ago tell me to stop going on CAF (I got the drift that she felt it was too conservative and traditional) and read some random book she told me about. I looked it up, laughed when I read the summary, and said to myself "no."

But I always tread carefully when I'm there and am wary to suggest it to people who are learning about the faith. I usually tell them to keep in mind that it is more middle of the road and that a place like Fish Eaters will be somewhere where you will get a much "firmer" idea of Catholicism.
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#14
I was banned for mentioning the abuse crisis (i.e. child abuse). This seems to me to be something very serious. The argument could be made that suppressing discussion of the abuse crisis is tantamount to participating in the coverup.
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#15
(01-16-2013, 01:59 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: The TLM is "anti-racist" in the sense that it uses a "dead language" that favors no one ethnicity over anther. It's with the TLM that we can have people from all over the world in one place, praying the same prayers in one language. With the vernacular, we have division -- "Spanish Mass at 10:00; English Mass at 11:00" without the Spanish-speaking and the English-speaking groups ever meeting. The TLM allows for unity and diversity. In addition to which, the use of Latin gives off an aura of Mystery, beauty, and ancientness and is less able to be "messed with" by that type of priest who wants to make the Mass more about him and his ability to entertain than about the Sacrifice of the Son to the Father.

And the idea that Koreans can't learn Latin? WTF? What sort of racist nonsense is that? I used to have a video on the site of the SSPX offering the TLM in KOREA, BTW. The priests spoke fine Latin, with a Korean accent.

It was strange - I certainly didn't expect to get banned for the comment, which was removed from the record! 
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#16
A few  current questions there on the TC forum...

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=745911

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=745076

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=745639

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=745439

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=745613
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(01-16-2013, 05:18 PM)Whitey Wrote: A few  current questions there on the TC forum...
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=745076

Oh my. I love this response on that thread:

Quote:You have any reference fort this? It's not any Catholic theology I ever read. Once you have received absolution, that's it - you are absolved. The priest may assign penance. That's the so-called "punishment."

Purgatory is a place of purification, for that which we have not had absolved in life. No one is getting "punished" for sins they have confessed.

That's a great "c"atholic Answer.

The funniest part is that "atheistgirl" is the only one who can explain the actual teaching of the Church.... how sad.
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#18
Gosh; the so-called Atheist gets Catholic doctrine more than the slew of Catholics on there.

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#19
I frequently post on CAF and I myself don't mine it as a Catholic website. Like someone else posted it is a good start point for beginning Catholics, just as it was good for me when I barely started in my Catholic faith.

I myself like this website and have seen pretty charitable folks.

I remember posting something in CAF about Fish Eaters and they took the question off. Wonder why ??? I never got why.
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(01-16-2013, 01:11 PM)SMKMI Wrote:
(01-16-2013, 12:48 PM)Adam_Michael Wrote: What the CAF lacks in orthodoxy they often possess in charity.

While the FE is strong in orthodoxy, some of its members often leave very much to be desired in the way of charity.  In fact some responses are sometimes so unloving it actually breaks my heart a bit to see it on a “Catholic” forum.

These are the reason why I do not post on CAF, and rarely post on FE.  I often refrain from posting because I know certain posters will lambast me.

If I am in error, then educate me, don’t ridicule me.

I almost addressed this in the “Downtick” thread started by Allan.

(http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...=3456407.0 )

Anyways, I am done with my “woe is me” sob story; let’s answer some CAF questions.

Quick note: on your Christmas Mass thread I, for some reason, thought you were Adam Wayne, not Adam Michael (different avatar and all!); since Adam WAYNE is so outspoken on certain topics, I went full-auto.

I apologize for that mix-up.

We all suffer for the fault of the first Adam, but that is going even further.  :grin:
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