Where CAF Gets it Wrong
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(01-16-2013, 02:37 PM)iona_scribe Wrote: By the way Vox, Shin is the very soul of charity, so don't get too discouraged thinking that you have a forum full of meanies ;)

I have noticed the high quality of Shin's posts too.  Shin demonstrates charity, orthodoxy and knowledge, which shows that we don't really have to choose among these.  All three are possible.
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#22
Please don't misconstrue. I do not mean to imply there isn't love in the tank. There most certainly is. There are plenty of great folks here. But the few nasty ones are enough to make it sour.
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#23
(01-16-2013, 03:03 PM)Adam_Michael Wrote: I have never reported a specific person and I am reluctant in doing so.  It just seems like a tattle-tale sort of thing to do.  I usually just wallow in my hurt feelings until I manage to snap out of it and offer it up.

I think a lot of people are reluctant and for the same reason.  But, in order for Fish Eaters to function well, people need to report problems.  There is only one moderator and there are too many posts for her to read them all.  She needs our help to do her job.  Would you feel like a tattle-tale if you reported a fire?  That is a better analogy for reporting problem posts.
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#24
I hear what you are saying with the fire analogy.  I understand that there is no such thing as a perfect analogy, but I look at it differently.  I think that a situation that could cause wide spread damage and/or death like a fire is a bit different than having ones feeling hurt.

Maybe it's just me, ya know?  I come from a back ground where "snitches get stitches".  My past is one were differences between guys were handled physically.  Take things outside...no need to get others involved.  Someone insulted you? Knock their front teeth out. But never go to cops, or teacher, or NCOIC.

I know that isn't a very Christian way of dealing with things.  And since my conversion I no longer engage in such violence.  I am just saying that perhaps certain societal / cultural expectations of how men deal with issues, and the heightened sense of honor in masculinity amongst Trads...maybe it influences mine and others view on reporting posts?

Maybe I am way over thinking it...
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#25
(01-16-2013, 03:03 PM)Adam_Michael Wrote: This is a good point.  It is something I notice among NO Catholics in general, and is also a personal shortcoming for myself.  I am working on it however.

This forum largely suffers from it as well, it is just that the shortsightedness is moved back a few years.

I think this is common and a result of our limited knowledge and focus on personal experience.

I've learned and try to follow a certain principle: do not trust one's own opinion. Everyone is trained to form and defend an opinion on everything. That is foolish. It is better to study and acquire real knowledge. If something new comes up, and one does not know the error, do not assume and ask for more information and citations. If one has real knowledge, then express it.
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#26
(01-16-2013, 01:53 PM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: I've been purging those uncharitable, snarky types from this pace. I'd been sick of it a for long time and begged them to stop but they didn't. So hang in there. And if you see such a thing, report it to me using the Report to Moderator button (or however it's phrased) at the bottom of the relevant post.

The new forum is locking threads and making misguided calls to "charity" like crazy.

They are sacrificing orthodoxy and virtue for it too.

It isn't as easy as it looks it seems.
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#27
I keep hearing about this new forum, what is the URL?  I would like to have a looky...

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(01-16-2013, 10:29 PM)Adam_Michael Wrote: I keep hearing about this new forum, what is the URL?  I would like to have a looky...

It does not adhere to Catholic teaching in its organization and moderation. It is very social minded and social connections are very important in it. It could get a "Where SD Gets It Wrong" thread: suscipedomine.com

It is a political/social forum.
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#29
About CAF, from what is written here, it sounds like it has a real "knowledge" problem.

Opening of Vatican II Wrote:The salient point of this Council is not, therefore, a discussion of one article or another of the fundamental doctrine of the Church which has repeatedly been taught by the Fathers and by ancient and modern theologians, and which is presumed to be well known and familiar to all.

For this a Council was not necessary. But from the renewed, serene, and tranquil adherence to all the teaching of the Church in its entirety and preciseness, as it still shines forth in the Acts of the Council of Trent and First Vatican Council, the Christian, Catholic, and apostolic spirit of the whole world expects a step forward toward a doctrinal penetration and a formation of consciousness in faithful and perfect conformity to the authentic doctrine, which, however, should be studied and expounded through the methods of research and through the literary forms of modern thought. The substance of the ancient doctrine of the deposit of faith is one thing, and the way in which it is presented is another. And it is the latter that must be taken into great consideration with patience if necessary, everything being measured in the forms and proportions of a Magisterium which is predominantly pastoral in character.

One does not look to Vatican II for doctrine. It does not contain it and it defers all doctrinal questions to what has been already taught.
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#30
To be fair, Rosarium, that's not where CAF gets it wrong. That's where 99% of today's Roman Catholics get it wrong....
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