Press Release of the General House of the Society of Saint Pius X
#11
I pretty much agree, Peter ll. Fr. Z needn't go that far to get a point across.
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#12
(02-11-2013, 05:35 PM)PeterII Wrote:
(02-11-2013, 02:47 PM)three_emcees_and_onedeacon Wrote: They should beg the Pope to let them kiss his shoe, accept their promises of obedience, and the regularize them before he resigns. "[/b]

That's gross and masochistic.  Fr. Z gives me the creeps. 

Wait... so signs and actions displaying fidelity to the holy father such as those Fr. Z described are "gross and masochistic" but +Williamson saying women should not sing in a choir at church or even have a job or go to college isn't?

Huh?
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#13
(02-11-2013, 06:14 PM)OzarkCatholic Wrote:
(02-11-2013, 05:35 PM)PeterII Wrote:
(02-11-2013, 02:47 PM)three_emcees_and_onedeacon Wrote: They should beg the Pope to let them kiss his shoe, accept their promises of obedience, and the regularize them before he resigns. "[/b]

That's gross and masochistic.  Fr. Z gives me the creeps. 

Wait... so signs and actions displaying fidelity to the holy father such as those Fr. Z described are "gross and masochistic" but +Williamson saying women should not sing in a choir at church or even have a job or go to college isn't?

Huh?

No, because everyone knows that women should be in the kitchen on their hands and knees kissing their husband's slipper. 



Booyah. 


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#14
Now if Bishop Fellay could see a way to join in an arrangement with the rest of the Catholic Church
Pray Pray Pray 
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#15
(02-11-2013, 01:52 PM)CatholicLife Wrote: http://www.dici.org/en/news/press-releas...nt-pius-x/

The Society of Saint Pius X has learned of the sudden announcement about the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, which will be effective on the evening of February 28, 2013.  Despite the doctrinal differences that were still evident on the occasion of the theological talks held between 2009 and 2011, the Society of Saint Pius X does not forget that the Holy Father had the courage to recall the fact that the Traditional Mass had never been abrogated, and to do away with the canonical sanctions that had been imposed on its bishops following their consecration in 1988.  It is not unaware of the opposition that these decisions have stirred up, obliging the pope to justify himself to the bishops of the whole world.  The Society expresses its gratitude to him for the strength and the constancy that he has shown toward it in such difficult circumstances, and assures him of its prayers for the time that he wishes to devote from now on to recollection.

Following its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the Society of Saint Pius X reaffirms its attachment to eternal Rome, Mother and Instructress [Mater et Magistra] of Truth, and to the See of Peter.  It reiterates its desire to make its contribution, according to its abilities, to resolving the grave crisis that is shaking the Church.  It prays that, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the cardinals of the next conclave may elect the pope who, according to the will of God, will work for the restoration of all things in Christ (Eph 1:10).

Menzingen, February 11, 2013,


on the Feast of Our Lady of Lourdes
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#16
Quote:The membership of the SSPX should converge on Rome this week.  They should, all together, crawl on hands and knees across St. Peter’s Square and stay there until the Pope will admit them.  They should beg the Pope to let them kiss his shoe, accept their promises of obedience, and the regularize them before he resigns. "


Confirmation of my decision a number of years ago never to read Fr John Zuhlsdorf's blog any more. Appalling.
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#17
(02-11-2013, 05:35 PM)PeterII Wrote:
(02-11-2013, 02:47 PM)three_emcees_and_onedeacon Wrote: as per Father Z

"SSPX reacts to Pope’s announcement
Posted on 11 February 2013 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

I have written again and again that the SSPX was going to wake up one day and experience the bad end of the stick.  That day is coming, probably with the election of the next Pope which is now a lot closer than I thought it would be.

The membership of the SSPX should converge on Rome this week.  They should, all together, crawl on hands and knees across St. Peter’s Square and stay there until the Pope will admit them.  They should beg the Pope to let them kiss his shoe, accept their promises of obedience, and the regularize them before he resigns. "

That's gross and masochistic.  Fr. Z gives me the creeps. 

That's what non-Catholics and Roman Protestants say about mortification as seen in Catholicism.
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(02-12-2013, 09:01 AM)3Sanctus Wrote:
(02-11-2013, 05:35 PM)PeterII Wrote:
(02-11-2013, 02:47 PM)three_emcees_and_onedeacon Wrote: as per Father Z

"SSPX reacts to Pope’s announcement
Posted on 11 February 2013 by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

I have written again and again that the SSPX was going to wake up one day and experience the bad end of the stick.  That day is coming, probably with the election of the next Pope which is now a lot closer than I thought it would be.

The membership of the SSPX should converge on Rome this week.  They should, all together, crawl on hands and knees across St. Peter’s Square and stay there until the Pope will admit them.  They should beg the Pope to let them kiss his shoe, accept their promises of obedience, and the regularize them before he resigns. "

That's gross and masochistic.  Fr. Z gives me the creeps. 

That's what non-Catholics and Roman Protestants say about mortification as seen in Catholicism.

Catholic mortification generally consists of depriving oneself of an unnecessary good, and is consistent with the life of Christ who fasted in the desert.  On the extreme end, you have flagellation, but that should always be done in private.  Groups that do that stuff in public are creepy and disobedient to the Church. 

Crawling on hands and knees kissing feet is undignified and fetishistic.  That tells us something about the psychology of the "obedience at any price" crowd.
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#19
I agree that kissing the Pope's slipper is weird, but wasn't it a pretty standard thing to do in the 19th century?
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#20
It's actually quite traditional and seems to only have ceased being done at some point in the last century (maybe with the NO?).  Luther mocked it in one (or more) of the famous woodcuts he commissioned. The CE appears to consider it a current practice when it was written:

We read of [kissing the Pope's feet] in the first "Ordo Romanus" belonging to the seventh century, but even earlier than this the "Liber Pontificalis" attests that the Emperor Justin paid this mark of respect to Pope John I (523-26), as later on Justinian II also did to Pope Constantine. At the election of Leo IV (847) the custom of so kissing the pope's foot was spoken of as an ancient one. It is not, therefore, wonderful that a practice supported by so early a tradition should still be observed. It is observed liturgically in a solemn papal Mass by the Latin and Greek subdeacons, and quasi-liturgically in the "adoration" of the pope by the cardinals after his election. It is also the normal salutation which papal etiquette prescribes for those of the faithful who are presented to the pope in a private audience. In his "De altaris mysterio" (VI, 6) Innocent III explains that this ceremony indicates "the very great reverence due to the Supreme Pontiff as the Vicar of Him whose feet" were kissed by the woman who was a sinner.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08663a.htm
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