The New Pope Promoted the Latin Mass in his Diocese
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Well, at least its not written in confusospeak.
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(03-13-2013, 09:09 PM)BrendanD Wrote: Read some of the comments. It's an unconfirmed, completely unsubstantiated blog post

Thats true, but I have only read anon comments saying that he persecuted the Latin Mass in his diocese.  At least his guy puts his full name down.
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#13
Sounds like a rumor (at least the part of his alleged support of / agreement with Summorum Pontificum).

No mention of Bergoglio on the Argentinian Una Voce site. This Argentinian Juventutem webpage says:
(my translation from the Spanish) Wrote:I agree with Wanderer that Cardinal Bergoglio—and with him, all those follower him—has resisted the Pope, astutely and firmly opposing the difusion of the Traditional Mass in his Archdiocese, as we have already sain in a previous post. [linked below]
It refers to this article, which says (italics in original):
(my translation from the Spanish) Wrote:We are told that an Episcopal Vicar who later became Bishop of a provincial capital south of Buenos Aires spoke smilingly: "Bergoglio has a plan to boycott the Motu Proprio without Rome realizing."
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(03-13-2013, 09:20 PM)nmoerbeek Wrote:
(03-13-2013, 09:09 PM)BrendanD Wrote: Read some of the comments. It's an unconfirmed, completely unsubstantiated blog post

Thats true, but I have only read anon comments saying that he persecuted the Latin Mass in his diocese.  At least his guy puts his full name down.

From what I could tell earlier this afternoon when I looked through the Juventutum Argentina website, there is no regular TLM within the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires, but the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate say the TLM regularly in the Diocese of Morón, which overlaps into the City of Buenos Aires. 

Perfect?  No.  Devastating?  Perhaps.  Something Christ Himself cannot overcome?  Hardly.

The office of Roman Pontiff will change His Holiness, for better or for worse.

It is time to pray for our Holy Father, Pope Francis.  http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...664.0.html
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#15
The article Geremia links to actually confirms the OP. But it is not good news. Shortly after the promulgation of Summorum Pontificum, Cardinal Bergoglio did arrange for a Traditional Mass to be said regularly in Buenos Aires, in the cathedral no less (the crypt). However, he assigned as chaplain a priest who hated tradition and kept innovating and doing "mistakes." People stopped going and so this TLM no longer exists.

One example of his innovations: he would follow the calendar of the Ordinary Form, therefore doing the readings of the Ordinary Form in the TLM (Responsorial Psalm instead of Gradual and all). The readings were said by lay people.

I'm sure not one of us would attend such a Mass.

I'm still reading the article. For those who understand Spanish: http://pagina-catolica.blogspot.com.ar/2...imado.html
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(03-13-2013, 09:42 PM)m.PR Wrote: The article Geremia links to actually confirms the OP. But it is not good news. Shortly after the promulgation of Summorum Pontificum, Cardinal Bergoglio did arrange for a Traditional Mass to be said regularly in Buenos Aires, in the cathedral no less (the crypt). However, he assigned as chaplain a priest who hated tradition and kept innovating and doing "mistakes." People stopped going and so this TLM no longer exists.

One example of his innovations: he would follow the calendar of the Ordinary Form, therefore doing the readings of the Ordinary Form in the TLM (Responsorial Psalm instead of Gradual and all). The readings were said by lay people.

I'm sure not one of us would attend such a Mass.

I'm still reading the article. For those who understand Spanish: http://pagina-catolica.blogspot.com.ar/2...imado.html

No Buenos Aires
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(03-13-2013, 10:10 PM)onosurf Wrote: No Buenos Aires
Something's rotten in the state of Argentina… haha
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(03-13-2013, 08:58 PM)nmoerbeek Wrote: "The very first thing Archbishop Bergoglio did after the publishing of Summorum Pontificum of Pope Benedict XVI was to promote the Traditional Latin Mass, the Extraordinary Form, in his Archdiocese, immediately directing that a chapel, to start with, be set up for this end."

http://holysoulshermitage.com/2013/03/13...edict-xvi/

Apparently their are different sources out there on this.


:)
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http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2007/09/1...-03001.htm

The link is in Spanish. There is a [URL=http://"http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=764361"]thread on CAF[/URL]  in which I first happened on it.


jwinch2 Wrote:http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2007/09/1...03001.html

This article, from 2007 states that Pope Francis, when he was Archbishop, made arrangements for the EF of the Mass to be offered within 48 hours of Summorum Pontificum being released.  Here is the English translation (emphasis mine)

Quote:HELD FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE COUNTRY SINCE POPE AUTHORIZED IT

returned the Latin Mass, with women covered by blankets

One hundred savvy faithful old liturgy were yesterday in San Miguel Archangel.


Sergio Rubin
srubin@clarin.com


Four decades after the Latin Mass with the priest facing the altar officiating was replaced by the office in the language of each country and facing the faithful, the old way of celebrating was restored yesterday at a church in Buenos Aires . It was before hundreds of worshipers eager to participate in the traditional way. The celebration took place 48 hours after Pope Benedict XVI signed the decree (motu proprio) that releases this modality. Until Friday, the Latin mass required approval of the bishop, that process is no longer necessary. From now on, to an order of the faithful, the priest must access. Yet the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, arranged a fixed holding jurisdiction for the faithful to offer locals a specific place and avoid the problem that oficiarla many priests do not know. parish is St. Michael the Archangel, in the downtown. His pastor, DOther Ricardo, is an expert in liturgy. had to dust off the latest version of the old missal, 1962, provide for the altar, put six candles instead of two and achieve an organist who knew the old songs . "In Nomine Patris, Sancti Spiritus et et Filii "said DOther after 10, when reciting the sign of the cross with the start of the trade. Faithful mostly adults and the elderly, but also some young, blanketed several women, and almost all with missal, followed him with unction. Women were also quite long skirts. was striking a family with three girls, all blanket . Many attendees seemed very knowledgeable about the ancient liturgy. Even, not without some that slipped some discomfort because the celebration was not, in his view, entirely by the old way and mixed with modern elements . was received communion kneeling at the altar and in the mouth. There was no sign of peace, or prayer of the faithful, or offertory procession. " This way of celebrating Mass greatly enriched the celebration because it takes into account the elements of an ancient liturgical tradition , "said Fabian leaving, 45. In turn, Carolina, 21, student of philosophy, considered so "me more spiritually uplifting . " DOther Father in his homily did not mention the way in which the celebrated. Then, asked journalists not to say that is the Tridentine Mass, but "how extraordinary Roman rite." So he sought to narrow the controversy surrounding his rehabilitation.

The translation is a bit rough being from Google translator, but it would appear from this article that our Holy Father made arrangements to have a fixed location for the EF of the Mass very soon after Pope Benedict's Motu Proprio was released.
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