Pope Francis DID NOT Kneel Down to Get Blessing From Protestants
#21
Not the jews  :O
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#22
(03-15-2013, 11:46 AM)ggreg Wrote:
(03-15-2013, 11:43 AM)Larry Wrote: I saw the headline, and then your picture. Yeah, I should have read what you wrote more closely.

You're enjoying this way too much, Ggregg. I really don't get the mentality that gets a thrill from wallowing in scandal. If you're right and this guy is a disaster, then congratulations. But if the Pope corresponds with the grace of his office and actually does some good, then I'll enjoy myself watching you eat crow. Not that you'd ever admit if you were wrong.

Right, so it is MY FAULT now is it? :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Cut the realists some slack here and let us be pleasantly surprised by a Thomas-a-Becket style transformation in Pope Francis.  If we spurn his attempts to restore order to the Church, then you can fairly accuse us of bad-will.  I think the onus is on this Pope to win our trust back.  Until he does I will continue to bring reality to the fore.

I agree with GGreg voicing his skeptic views and concerns. But according to Vox now, all of this is off limits. I don't want to see him or others  stifled or banned

What happens, seriously? Do people like him get banned and the rest just twiddle thumbs and say nice things?
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#23
I believe in freedom of speech and I believe I've backed up most of my comments with evidence.  If Vox wishes to ban me she is free to.
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#24
(03-15-2013, 03:38 PM)Ursus Wrote: What happens, seriously? Do people like him get banned and the rest just twiddle thumbs and say nice things?

The majority of what he has said could have been condensed in a few posts.  He chooses to constantly find new ways to repeat himself in a variation of the sarcastic tone.
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#25
It's not difficult at all to discuss issues like this without incurring the threat of the ban hammer.  It's just unfortunate that not everyone can do so without adopting a sneering attitude.  A lot of threads with good potential for constructive discussion have been jerked off course and turned into contests to see who can compile a missive that packs maximal sarcasm into a post with minimal information.

I'm positive that I could have made all the same points and listed the same concerns without once being threatened by a ban.  I'm not going to waste my time though since it's already been done - albeit in the least constructive manner possible.

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#26
    I am really worried, but not for the same reason most I have read here are worried.  I am worried because it seems many people are forgetting the words of Jesus the the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church and as long as the Holy Father does not try to change doctrine and dogma, allow and encourage same sex marriage, allow and encourage the use of birth control and abortion and allow for the ordination of women, and maintains the current course and does clean up the Church and the sex abuse that has happened in the past and remind everyone that all men are on earth in a spiritual journey and all are subject to fall unless they keep their eye on Heaven, why is anybody worried?  He has so far done nothing that would indicate he is anything other than an honorable man, and what should we make of him not using the Papal Limo and taking a VW (he used to take the bus) and paying for the room (with the money he had when he arrived in Rome for the conclave) should be taken in the light they are offered, he is not using his position, but is humble and trying to set an example (maybe) and we really need to wait and see what he does for the Church.  Look at what he does and not what may or may not have happened before he came to Rome for the conclave.  I think we should be praying for him to sweep the church clean of the immoral influences and return the Church to Her roots and that has to start with the religious who are the "progressive" end of the world which is anti-Christian, pro-Socialism and pro-Islam.  There are many peoples trying to divide the Church which Jesus Christ established and there are people here (good people) who are falling for the divide to multiply reasoning of the Baptist tradition without realizing it. They see the Church today as Trad and NO.  That is the wrong attitude, WE are one Church with two distinct ways of worshipping Jesus and the Father through the Holy Spirit.  I prefer the Latin and Traditional Mass, but it is not to be found around where I live and thus I must to avoid committing Mortal sin attend the NO and any church around here,  As long as there are no blatant violations of the proper of the Mass, I will attend because I have too.  If he requires all parishes to provide TLM for the parish and those who wish to attend and to do this in a way as to not change that which is currently in place and their obligation to the parish(s) to which they are assigned, I would attend TLM in a heartbeat and not think twice about it. He was raised in the Latin Mass and has shown signs of being very more traditional that most are seeing.  We have to allow the Holy Spirit to guide this man who has a very difficult position and job.  He is our Shepard and the Vicar of Christ.  We need to see where he is leading us and only then can we decide, but we must have the guidance of the Holy Spirit in our decision as He (the Holy Spirit) will never lead us in the wrong direction, but we must be sure it is the Holy Spirit and not the adversary.
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#27
Jerome, it's your (and what seems to be most Catholic's) opinions that I was talking about when I wrote this: http://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index...pic=1621.0
More Catholic Discussion: http://thetradforum.com/

Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#28
(03-15-2013, 03:52 PM)The Curt Jester Wrote:
(03-15-2013, 03:38 PM)Ursus Wrote: What happens, seriously? Do people like him get banned and the rest just twiddle thumbs and say nice things?

The majority of what he has said could have been condensed in a few posts.  He chooses to constantly find new ways to repeat himself in a variation of the sarcastic tone.

Condensed? Why so it gets buried and ignored. And all the other posts of simply ignore the past and pray. Just think nice thoughts, be charitable.

Being charitable has its limits. We have to defend our faith because who else will? There is active evil in the church. There is active evil, wolves in the highest offices. We can't simply ignore it.
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#29
Amen, Ursus.  That's what I call being reasonable.
More Catholic Discussion: http://thetradforum.com/

Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#30
Sarcasm.  The 8th Cardinal Sin.

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