The Last Years of Pope Paul VI (1974-1978)
(12-29-2013, 01:54 PM)JMartyr Wrote:
(12-29-2013, 01:53 AM)Cetil Wrote: I think Catholic Europe was in serious trouble long before WW2 and its aftermath. Lately I have been reading Cardinal Manning's book "The True Story of the Vatican Council". This is what he has to say of the crowned Catholic heads of Europe. The discussion was provoked by those who sought to seat some of the Catholic sovereigns in the Council itself :
"As to the reference to the Catholic sovereigns, it is
to be remembered that if certain sovereigns at this
day continue to be Catholic, it is as individuals, not
as sovereigns. The governments are not Catholic.
The concordats which bound them to the Holy See
have been abolished, not by the Holy See, but by
their own revolutions, or by their legislatures, or by
their liberal parties. Catholic sovereigns, therefore,
no longer represent Catholic kingdoms ; they have
declared their states as such to have no religion, and
have withdrawn their public laws from the unity of
the Church and faith, and from obedience to the
Holy See. To invite them to sit in an (Ecumenical
Council would be like inviting the public authorities
of the United States to sit in the British Parliament"

p. 21, The True Story of the Vatican Council by Cardinal Manning.
1877 Available here as a pdf :

It's sad that after VII, concordats were abolished at the behest of the Holy See. Religious liberty at it"s finest.

Concordats were not abolished, the term was not used for a time but is now seen again in the concordats with Poland and Portugal for example. But the concordats had never really been helpful because of the endless meddling of the Catholic monarchs themselves, thus even in the Catholic states where Lutheranism was not established, things were a mess.  Manning again on the worries of Pius IX prior to Vatican I:

"His chief care was for the Catholic kingdoms
of Europe, in which the Lutheran Reformation has
never established itself. Nevertheless, in them regalism,
which is a royal supremacy pushed to the very
verge of schism, has universally prevailed.
France from Louis the Fourteenth to the other day,
in Austria from Joseph the Second, in Tuscany from
Leopold the First, in Spain from Charles the
Third, in Naples from the beginning of the Sicilian
monarchy, the royal power has oppressed and enslaved
the Church with its fatal fostering protection.
Constantine called himself only eirfawffos rv su.
But the Catholic sovereigns of the last three centuries
have meddled internally in everything, from the
nomination of bishops to the number of candles to
be lighted upon the altar. Frederick of Prussia used
to call Joseph of Austria " mon frere le sacristan."
The consequences of this disastrous patronage were manifold, and ramified throughout the whole organisation
of the Church. It will be enough to name
three : first, the lowering and secularising of the
episcopate and priesthood by contact with courts
and their ambitions ; secondly, the suspension of the
spiritual liberty of the Church in its discipline,
synods, and tribunals ; and, thirdly, the protection
given by kings to unsound teachers, as Van Espen,
de Hontheim in canon law, and in theology to the
authors of the Four Articles, by Louis the Fourteenth.
In this sense it is most true that the
Lutheran movement has steadily penetrated into
Catholic countries. This excessive regalism produced
its inevitable reaction, and the revolutions of
this century have paralysed all royal supremacies
by establishing the doctrine that the State, as such,
has no religion."
Manning, The  True History of the Vatican Council, 1877.


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