Did mary have a vaginal Birth.
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(05-01-2013, 04:32 AM)Joshua Wrote:
Chestertonian Wrote:See, that response would really bother me, and I think it is insulting to a child's intelligence to dismiss their curiosity in this way.  As a teacher, I don't think there is anything to be gained by telling your students not to think.  How do you think a young St. Thomas Aquinas would have felt if someone told him at the age of 8, "See, the Holy Trinity is a mystery.  Don't worry about it, just believe it"?  Perhaps some people are simpler than others and this answer would satisfy the minds of simpler souls.  But I know many intelligent people who were turned off by the faith because asking questions and posing challenges was discouraged.  I think it's because sometimes students ask questions that the teacher is not prepared or qualified to answer.  It is better for a teacher to say, "I don't know.  Let's do some research and I'll help you figure it out as much as I can." than to say, "Don't question it, just believe it."

If Christ's birth was entirely detached from natural processes, was He nourished in the womb with a placenta, umbilical cord, etc.? Was Christ's human form derived (at least in part) by Mary's own genetic makeup? Is Christ biologically related to Mary? ... The question which many here are simply dismissing as icky and yucky actually has some rather deep concepts.

I believe if we look at other areas of teaching and tradition, etc. , we see that these questions can be deduced to a tenable answer.

Starting out, Sr. Lucia has been quoted as saying the Pilgrim statue of Our Lady of Fatima bears the closest resemblance she's ever seen of Mary:
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Compare this with Shroud of Turin facial reconstruction images and popular images of Our Lord; very similar, and definitely bears the resemblance of a son of genetic makeup from a mother:
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The Word was made Flesh; what flesh did He take on, but Mary's? St. Augustine wrote this very thing.
http://www.marys-touch.com/Eucharist/ch6.htm

By the very biological/physiological processes God Himself created, all people receive certain things for sure only from their mother. A main one is the mitochondria, which is the energy processing station of the cell. This is how science has, though now largely ignores, come to the conclusion of the "Mitochondrial Eve". It would follow that Christ received, in His human nature, this from Mary.

Going back to the idea of placenta, etc., I'd say yes. He is the God-Man, and I would think looking at these things in light of the Shroud of Turin would provide a material understanding of this process, leading to spiritual comfort and awe at the Mystery of the Incarnation, which always will remain a Mystery in certain regards. Where, then, one might ask, is this biological Shroud? That seems as unanswerable at the present as many other questions.

To discount Christ's receiving from Mary that which He gave to her anyway, being her flesh, etc. is to reduce Our Lady to an incubator... a surrogate mother in a sense. Such a concept is repugnant and offensive to both God and Mary. In her fiat, I believe we see the inkling of poverty in spirit and why it was important that she ask the Archangel Gabriel "how can this be?" She replies to his announcement, behold the handmaid of the Lord. She gives all, including her flesh. Everything, including flesh. A motherly Eve, submitting to her God: Daughter of the Father serving for the purpose of the heavenly family, the mother of the Son, and the spouse of the Holy Ghost.

Would love to "flesh this out", but I gotta run.
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Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by jim111 - 04-29-2013, 07:01 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by moneil - 04-29-2013, 08:48 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by DrBombay - 04-29-2013, 09:17 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Poche - 04-30-2013, 04:29 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by SCG - 04-30-2013, 09:14 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 04-30-2013, 11:50 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Tim - 04-30-2013, 12:49 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Doce Me - 04-30-2013, 01:49 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by loggats - 04-30-2013, 03:56 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by loggats - 04-30-2013, 04:12 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 04-30-2013, 04:53 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 04-30-2013, 06:27 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 04-30-2013, 06:27 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by DrBombay - 04-30-2013, 07:17 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Poche - 05-01-2013, 03:41 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Felix E - 05-01-2013, 03:51 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Joshua - 05-01-2013, 04:32 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by jonbhorton - 05-01-2013, 08:16 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Tim - 05-01-2013, 08:48 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 05-01-2013, 10:36 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by SCG - 05-01-2013, 12:07 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Joshua - 05-01-2013, 04:29 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Warrenton - 05-01-2013, 05:10 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Doce Me - 05-01-2013, 07:02 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Warrenton - 05-01-2013, 07:26 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 05-01-2013, 08:04 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Tenmaru - 05-01-2013, 11:03 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 05-01-2013, 11:06 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Warrenton - 05-02-2013, 01:01 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Joshua - 05-02-2013, 02:30 AM



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