Did mary have a vaginal Birth.
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(05-01-2013, 08:04 PM)Satori Wrote: I think part of the problem we're having is how we're using the terms "natural" and "supernatural". I think when Impy insists the birth was "supernatural" as opposed to "natural," he's not opining on which exit Our Lord took out of the womb but only saying that it was not a "normal" birth -- it was a birth in which the mother's physical integrity was miraculously preserved somehow. That's what you're saying, right? And those who have insisted that Jesus' birth was "natural" are not saying that it was just like every other human birth in every respect, they are arguing only that he was born via the usual passage.

Warrenton, is it true that a painless birth was prophesied? I am not familiar with this.

St. John Damascene, a Father, said that the nativity occurred in the normal manner. He was gestated and was born just like other men. That tradition is behind the protoevangelion, which contains the (fictitious) story of the midwife's attendant attempting to examine the body of the Blessed Mother, and being burned when she touched her sacred body.  However, the process of gestation and birth made no change on the body of the Blessed Mother.  That was miraculous.  Rather, I expect, in the way that Christ could have been crucified, pierced with the lance, but still able to walk, eat and talk.  How did these wounds - mortal for any other man - not keep him dead, or continue to kill him after the resurrection?  It was a miracle.  The greatest ever.  The second greatest was the virgin birth. 

The Fathers understood the imagery of the burning bush to be a presage of Our Lady.  Similarly, they understood the parting of the sea, the gates that remained shut, the fiery furnace that did not consume the children, and the whirlwind that guided as being images that God sent the prophets to indicate the manner of the incarnation. 

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Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by jim111 - 04-29-2013, 07:01 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by moneil - 04-29-2013, 08:48 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by DrBombay - 04-29-2013, 09:17 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Poche - 04-30-2013, 04:29 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by SCG - 04-30-2013, 09:14 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 04-30-2013, 11:50 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Tim - 04-30-2013, 12:49 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Doce Me - 04-30-2013, 01:49 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by loggats - 04-30-2013, 03:56 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by loggats - 04-30-2013, 04:12 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 04-30-2013, 04:53 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 04-30-2013, 06:27 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 04-30-2013, 06:27 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by DrBombay - 04-30-2013, 07:17 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Poche - 05-01-2013, 03:41 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Felix E - 05-01-2013, 03:51 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Joshua - 05-01-2013, 04:32 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Tim - 05-01-2013, 08:48 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 05-01-2013, 10:36 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by SCG - 05-01-2013, 12:07 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Joshua - 05-01-2013, 04:29 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Warrenton - 05-01-2013, 05:10 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Doce Me - 05-01-2013, 07:02 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Warrenton - 05-01-2013, 07:26 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 05-01-2013, 08:04 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Tenmaru - 05-01-2013, 11:03 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Satori - 05-01-2013, 11:06 PM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Warrenton - 05-02-2013, 01:01 AM
Re: Did mary have a vaginal Birth. - by Joshua - 05-02-2013, 02:30 AM



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