June 25 - Supposed "Emergency" Meeting of the Roman Curia
(06-27-2013, 04:37 PM)StCeciliasGirl Wrote: (snip)
The liturgy is what changed. I look at NO priests and think they HAVE to be gay to say that crap they say. Gay or just simply evil. "Let's sing Kumbayah!" And we're SHOCKED they rape kids? No human worth his salt would be caught dead leading a congregation with that BS girl song.

I feel like going out and punching a no priest today. (snip)

You need to tone it down. Way, WAY down. You risk getting banned if you talk about hitting priests and other nonsense like this.
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Sorry, Vox.

(06-27-2013, 10:18 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote: With all due respect...  to compare a horny teenage girl and those who practice deviant behavior to an individual who has to suffer silently knowing he is unlike his gender by a choice not his own and the emotional toll that comes with it is completely deranged.
Goodnight

Think about it: a horny (BUT VIRGINAL) teenage girl and a person with SSA both want something that they can't have; it's disordered and unholy to be desiring anyone at all except ONE PERSON (your would-be spouse, which, to the teenage girl, is forever away and probably a different boy every month).

And again, even if you're married, a husband lusting after another woman in his mind (or after many women over the course of a lifetime) has severely disordered thinking; evil thinking. It needs to be confessed and absolved and prayed for. Just because we excuse hetero lust as "normal" doesn't make it so, and surely doesn't make it godly. But it's an immense struggle for some men; it's not natural; it's adultery. Society/"science" maybe call it "sex addiction", but that just redefines an ancient perversion as a disease. Is someone with SSA carrying a heavier cross than a so-called "sex addict"? Again, both desiring people they shouldn't want. (Note: by God's standards, not the world's standards.)

Sorry you find that offensive, but having had both horny teenage girlfriends who TRY to avoid giving into temptation and struggled sure as day with it, as well as guy friends who were attracted to men who ALSO struggled to avoid getting into a tempting situation, it seems completely biased and unfair to say that men with SSA have a heavier cross to bear than anyone else. I don't buy it. If you excuse human struggles as "a particularly heavy cross", people start thinking God won't mind if they drop the super-heavy cross and run straight towards Hell.
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(06-28-2013, 02:51 PM)StCeciliasGirl Wrote: Sorry, Vox.

(06-27-2013, 10:18 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote: With all due respect...  to compare a horny teenage girl and those who practice deviant behavior to an individual who has to suffer silently knowing he is unlike his gender by a choice not his own and the emotional toll that comes with it is completely deranged.
Goodnight

Think about it: a horny (BUT VIRGINAL) teenage girl and a person with SSA both want something that they can't have; it's disordered and unholy to be desiring anyone at all except ONE PERSON (your would-be spouse, which, to the teenage girl, is forever away and probably a different boy every month).

And again, even if you're married, a husband lusting after another woman in his mind (or after many women over the course of a lifetime) has severely disordered thinking; evil thinking. It needs to be confessed and absolved and prayed for. Just because we excuse hetero lust as "normal" doesn't make it so, and surely doesn't make it godly. But it's an immense struggle for some men; it's not natural; it's adultery. Society/"science" maybe call it "sex addiction", but that just redefines an ancient perversion as a disease. Is someone with SSA carrying a heavier cross than a so-called "sex addict"? Again, both desiring people they shouldn't want. (Note: by God's standards, not the world's standards.)

Sorry you find that offensive, but having had both horny teenage girlfriends who TRY to avoid giving into temptation and struggled sure as day with it, as well as guy friends who were attracted to men who ALSO struggled to avoid getting into a tempting situation, it seems completely biased and unfair to say that men with SSA have a heavier cross to bear than anyone else. I don't buy it. If you excuse human struggles as "a particularly heavy cross", people start thinking God won't mind if they drop the super-heavy cross and run straight towards Hell.

I didn't find it offensive, I find it just a flawed arguement that completely misses the mark. The comparison is NOT about controlling "urges" ( that is so superficial, no one needs a theology degree to know men and women of every age in every walk of life faces temptation), its about being born with an affliction you did not ask for, but must accept.  If you don't see it, you never will. Horny teenagers are not horny teenagers from the moment they could reason to the moment they die, and they have plenty other peer group horny teenager BFF's and the full social structure of society to support them. Who does the SSA individual have who he can go to in his position if he wants to live a chaste and religious life. Perhaps siblings, if they walk upright and don't hold the opinion that he should be hung like some good Samaritans around here. 
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(06-28-2013, 02:51 PM)StCeciliasGirl Wrote: Think about it: a horny (BUT VIRGINAL) teenage girl and a person with SSA both want something that they can't have;

I'm a bit put off by the crude language but the difference here is that the 'horny' teenager will (barring God's plans for a Religious life) eventually find an outlet for the temptations when getting married. The homosexual will not. I think the difference is not in kind but in degree. The kind of temptation is the same but the degree is not. The non-married person must control urges/passions that would be okay for a married person - though I understand that in marriage one must still be chaste inasmuch as chastity is a virtue and does not equal celibacy but is a mindset. But the homosexual person will have urges and passions that will never be okay in any circumstance and will never be 'satisfied'. They must be celibate forever and this is something that is laid upon them (unlike a Religious or Priest who chooses celibacy as a gift to God). Of course, in the grand scheme of things, the cross of lifelong unchosen celibacy ultimately is a gift from God from the perspective of eternity and Heaven (He did it for your sanctification). But for the average homosexual person, even a good Catholic, this is of little comfort when all around you are getting married and having an outlet for their passions and having someone to share sexual intimacy with. Not that marriage should be used for that purpose, and not that marriage is one life-long happy rainbows and sunshine partnership. Marriage is also full of suffering.

Of course, in this over-sexed culture the idea of celibacy is totally repugnant (even to good Catholics) so it's gotta be taken with a pinch of blessed salt. But there it is anyway; homosexuals do have a heavier cross to carry. At least that is how I see it.
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(06-25-2013, 11:04 PM)Juanthetuba Wrote: So any updates? Seems the only thing we got to go on is the Voris vid.

AND the dosier given to Pope Benedict, AND his sudden abdication leaving the contents of the dossier to a younger man AND the arrest of a monsignor smuggling 26 MILLION dollars into the U.S.AND the discovery of a homosexual Catholic priest message forum. There's more, but if you can't see that this is BIG, it's hopeless to go on.
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(06-28-2013, 03:27 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote:
(06-28-2013, 02:51 PM)StCeciliasGirl Wrote: Sorry, Vox.

(06-27-2013, 10:18 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote: With all due respect...  to compare a horny teenage girl and those who practice deviant behavior to an individual who has to suffer silently knowing he is unlike his gender by a choice not his own and the emotional toll that comes with it is completely deranged.
Goodnight

Think about it: a horny (BUT VIRGINAL) teenage girl and a person with SSA both want something that they can't have; it's disordered and unholy to be desiring anyone at all except ONE PERSON (your would-be spouse, which, to the teenage girl, is forever away and probably a different boy every month).

And again, even if you're married, a husband lusting after another woman in his mind (or after many women over the course of a lifetime) has severely disordered thinking; evil thinking. It needs to be confessed and absolved and prayed for. Just because we excuse hetero lust as "normal" doesn't make it so, and surely doesn't make it godly. But it's an immense struggle for some men; it's not natural; it's adultery. Society/"science" maybe call it "sex addiction", but that just redefines an ancient perversion as a disease. Is someone with SSA carrying a heavier cross than a so-called "sex addict"? Again, both desiring people they shouldn't want. (Note: by God's standards, not the world's standards.)

Sorry you find that offensive, but having had both horny teenage girlfriends who TRY to avoid giving into temptation and struggled sure as day with it, as well as guy friends who were attracted to men who ALSO struggled to avoid getting into a tempting situation, it seems completely biased and unfair to say that men with SSA have a heavier cross to bear than anyone else. I don't buy it. If you excuse human struggles as "a particularly heavy cross", people start thinking God won't mind if they drop the super-heavy cross and run straight towards Hell.

I didn't find it offensive, I find it just a flawed arguement that completely misses the mark. The comparison is NOT about controlling "urges" ( that is so superficial, no one needs a theology degree to know men and women of every age in every walk of life faces temptation), its about being born with an affliction you did not ask for, but must accept.  If you don't see it, you never will. Horny teenagers are not horny teenagers from the moment they could reason to the moment they die, and they have plenty other peer group horny teenager BFF's and the full social structure of society to support them. Who does the SSA individual have who he can go to in his position if he wants to live a chaste and religious life. Perhaps siblings, if they walk upright and don't hold the opinion that he should be hung like some good Samaritans around here. 

The "born with" is an unproven assumption. Sadly, we have lost all bearings. Sodomy is a horrible sin; just as most deny anything wrong with usury (which results in the oppression of the poor and also is a offense against nature and God), so now most don't perceive the utter heinousness of this sin. We are worse than Sodom since now we call bad good and good bad (esp. in sodomite marriage). Worse than sodomy is the Church cover up, terrifying. Ya'll need to reflect a bit more on Dante (cf. seventh circle), Aristotle (book one of politics on usury), and Aquinas. These are horrible crimes. Don't ya know what the (merciful) punishment of St. Pius X was for the sin of sodomy (not sodomizing boys)? What about the law in the city of Rome under the pontificate of St. Pius V?

The proper sentiment for these crimes is nothing but complete disgust. As a recent bishop told us: he didn't even know what sodomy was until in college, he never imagined such things were thinkable.  These sins are contra naturam and contra Deum, no doubt, no doubt. (For those who "struggle" beg God's mercy.) 
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Sorry mate! U missed the bus too. Reading comprehension 101. We are not referring to Sodomy, we are talking about those who "bear their cross". As far as unproven goes, you should broaden your reading selection.
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(06-28-2013, 03:54 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote: As far as unproven goes, you should broaden your reading selection.

Excuse Catholics for not trusting the medical opinions of secular liberal pro-LGBT anti-Christ lobbyists.

I've read a bit on this topic and in fact from what I have read there is no way (yet, anyway) to prove if someone is born with it or not. Not that it matters morally speaking or for the person involved.
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(06-28-2013, 03:44 PM)JoniCath Wrote:
(06-25-2013, 11:04 PM)Juanthetuba Wrote: So any updates? Seems the only thing we got to go on is the Voris vid.

AND the dosier given to Pope Benedict, AND his sudden abdication leaving the contents of the dossier to a younger man AND the arrest of a monsignor smuggling 26 MILLION dollars into the U.S.AND the discovery of a homosexual Catholic priest message forum. There's more, but if you can't see that this is BIG, it's hopeless to go on.

Yep, it's very big. They've been covering up this cesspool for forty years. It's all old, old, old news. It is still being repressed. It won't hit the big news except in hints. But Fr. Luigi Villa blew the top off the lid a loooong time ago. I just hope they don't continue cover up. It is going to be fully exposed. They're have a tough time hiding it (kind of like the increasing exposure of paedophile rings all over Europe and the U.S., increasingly harder to repress over the last ten years. The longer they try to hide it, the worse will be the blow back. That is all.
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