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Can't help but laugh at the insanity tonight. 

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(06-28-2013, 01:01 AM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: If you don't like this place, then go. A lot of people have. Nothing's keeping you here. You can even gossip about other people's sins at other forums.

Sins that are very very public. 

I mean...if someone hacked into an email, if someone spied through a window, or if someone tapped a phone--that would be one thing.  But this stuff is just sitting out here, plain as day, easy for anyone to catch with a net. 

The "I'm. Coming. Out." thread was public. 
Impy's defense against everyone--public. 
The statements that Impy tried to adhere to Church teaching--public.  And here is a public statement declaring so:

(06-26-2013, 04:04 PM)Clare Brigid Wrote: However, I do hold to Catholic teaching.

And then, we have this evidence that's come into the community of Impy's other life--public. 

It is all public and out there. 

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This paints a picture of a person who says one thing, then does another.  A person who declares one philosophy, but adheres to another. 

Why is it tolerated? 

I mean...setting the sin and the nature of the sin aside...Impy said he likes consistency.  But he's the most inconsistent person I've followed this year.  And the inconsistency itself is scandalous. 

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And what about all these good ol' Michael Voris videos coming out lately?  He talks about how laypeople need to get out there and nail down the particulars of how the Church should be, and how laypeople should conduct themselves--he says we're to watch out for each other.  And we cheer him on and on.  "Go Voris!"

Yet, something like this comes up, and everyone gets quiet, worshipers of the cult of personality wanna sweep everything under the rug.  People try to stifle conversation and prevent a dialogue. 

What a hydra.  Tolerated scandal is a hydra. 

One man's private-life-lived-publicly is destroying this forum's reputation, among other things.  People don't want to be associated with this kind of scandal.  And since there seems to be no protection here from it, they've left.  Again, I say, they do not feel protected from the scandal, so they left. 
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(06-28-2013, 02:11 AM)LaramieHirsch Wrote: :chainsaw: :helpsmiley: :chainsaw: :helpsmiley: :helpsmiley: :censored: :censored: :censored: :helpsmiley: :chainsaw:

Can't help but laugh at the insanity tonight. 

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(06-28-2013, 01:01 AM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: If you don't like this place, then go. A lot of people have. Nothing's keeping you here. You can even gossip about other people's sins at other forums.

Sins that are very very public. 

I mean...if someone hacked into an email, if someone spied through a window, or if someone tapped a phone--that would be one thing.  But this stuff is just sitting out here, plain as day, easy for anyone to catch with a net. 

The "I'm. Coming. Out." thread was public. 
Impy's defense against everyone--public. 
The statements that Impy tried to adhere to Church teaching--public.  And here is a public statement declaring so:

(06-26-2013, 04:04 PM)Clare Brigid Wrote: However, I do hold to Catholic teaching.

And then, we have this evidence that's come into the community of Impy's other life--public. 

It is all public and out there. 

....................

This paints a picture of a person who says one thing, then does another.  A person who declares one philosophy, but adheres to another. 

Why is it tolerated? 

I mean...setting the sin and the nature of the sin aside...Impy said he likes consistency.  But he's the most inconsistent person I've followed this year.  And the inconsistency itself is scandalous. 

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And what about all these good ol' Michael Voris videos coming out lately?  He talks about how laypeople need to get out there and nail down the particulars of how the Church should be, and how laypeople should conduct themselves--he says we're to watch out for each other.  And we cheer him on and on.  "Go Voris!"

Yet, something like this comes up, and everyone gets quiet, worshipers of the cult of personality wanna sweep everything under the rug.  People try to stifle conversation and prevent a dialogue. 

What a hydra.  Tolerated scandal is a hydra. 

One man's private-life-lived-publicly is destroying this forum's reputation, among other things.  People don't want to be associated with this kind of scandal.  And since there seems to be no protection here from it, they've left.  Again, I say, they do not feel protected from the scandal, so they left. 

I would have to agree with this comment

There is a lot of scandal going on right now and the enemy is doing his job in confusion and division.

There is certainly according to this evidence something going on. I don't know the issue fully, but if Clare as people are saying really is living a double life then obviously that can't be tolerated. There is already too much scandal going on already.

The hypocrisy that LaramieHirsch is talking about, namely that of us rooting for Voris and talking the faith and then not doing something about it when the issue is at hand is hypocritical.

I have not much else to say and once again let us all be charitable yet correct this mess that has happened.

I will be praying for this forum as well as for all in it :pray2:

God bless
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I think that Impy/Clare has an agenda. Pretty obvious, by now. I don't believe, as Vox has said, that 75% of Catholics here have visited porn sites in the last six months. What's the point in even being a traditional Catholic if one does not strive to stay in a state of grace, and encourage others to do so? Is Impy/Clare even a Catholic? Somehow I doubt it.
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(06-28-2013, 02:11 AM)LaramieHirsch Wrote: :chainsaw: :helpsmiley: :chainsaw: :helpsmiley: :helpsmiley: :censored: :censored: :censored: :helpsmiley: :chainsaw:

Can't help but laugh at the insanity tonight. 

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(06-28-2013, 01:01 AM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: If you don't like this place, then go. A lot of people have. Nothing's keeping you here. You can even gossip about other people's sins at other forums.

Sins that are very very public. 

I mean...if someone hacked into an email, if someone spied through a window, or if someone tapped a phone--that would be one thing.  But this stuff is just sitting out here, plain as day, easy for anyone to catch with a net. 

The "I'm. Coming. Out." thread was public. 
Impy's defense against everyone--public. 
The statements that Impy tried to adhere to Church teaching--public.  And here is a public statement declaring so:

(06-26-2013, 04:04 PM)Clare Brigid Wrote: However, I do hold to Catholic teaching.

And then, we have this evidence that's come into the community of Impy's other life--public. 

It is all public and out there. 

....................

This paints a picture of a person who says one thing, then does another.  A person who declares one philosophy, but adheres to another. 

Why is it tolerated? 

I mean...setting the sin and the nature of the sin aside...Impy said he likes consistency.  But he's the most inconsistent person I've followed this year.  And the inconsistency itself is scandalous. 

......................

And what about all these good ol' Michael Voris videos coming out lately?  He talks about how laypeople need to get out there and nail down the particulars of how the Church should be, and how laypeople should conduct themselves--he says we're to watch out for each other.  And we cheer him on and on.  "Go Voris!"

Yet, something like this comes up, and everyone gets quiet, worshipers of the cult of personality wanna sweep everything under the rug.  People try to stifle conversation and prevent a dialogue. 

What a hydra.  Tolerated scandal is a hydra. 

One man's private-life-lived-publicly is destroying this forum's reputation, among other things.  People don't want to be associated with this kind of scandal.  And since there seems to be no protection here from it, they've left.  Again, I say, they do not feel protected from the scandal, so they left. 

No, they weren't "very public." Someone obviously went looking for that sort of thing and found it. No one was googling for "poodles" and just "happened" to come across that.

A picture of a person who says one thing and does another? Everyone here who is a sinner does that. Most people here are Catholics and profess the Faith -- and they also fail to uphold it in various ways.  I, for one, won't go casting stones. That isn't the same as approving of a thing, by the way. It's ridiculous that that "has" to be spelled out, but it apparently does around here. Other things I don't approve of are murder (including abortion), masturbation, stealing, lying, Pharisaic attitudes, detraction, calumny, the seven deadlies, and littering. I state all this for the record in case someone is outed as having stolen something once and any failure on my part to condemn that person is considered as "approval" or "confusing" or even "scandalous" (which, again, has a Catholic meaning which most people are wrong about, thinking it just means "shocked"). But for those who were actually scandalized (without quotes), they shouldn't be on any internet forum at all because most are populated by sinners, and if hearing about a sin makes them want to commit a sin, they need to be very careful.

No man or woman's private life is destroying this forum's reputation because I am not allowing the detraction or calumny, as the case may be, to go on here. That is happening on other forums, whose reputations are already well-known. For those who think I'd be ruining this forum's reputation by not condemning people, well, I wouldn't want to be held in high regard by them anyway, so it works out well.

I also don't see how people have "gotten quiet" and such around here. Seems to me that some people can't get enough of the supposed "scandal" and won't let it drop. They keep bringing it back up, keep making little digs, are searching the internet for things to get riled about, and committing the sin of detraction. I'm not sure what they'd want done about "the situation," but they're not going to get a public stoning here. Unless they're willing to cast that first stone. I'm not.

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(06-28-2013, 02:59 AM)Meg Wrote: I think that Impy/Clare has an agenda. Pretty obvious, by now. I don't believe, as Vox has said, that 75% of Catholics here have visited porn sites in the last six months. What's the point in even being a traditional Catholic if one does not strive to stay in a state of grace, and encourage others to do so? Is Impy/Clare even a Catholic? Somehow I doubt it.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you're right about the person you call "Impy/Clare." That means that all the people who get all pissy and leave are just letting the Poster with an Agenda and Who Isn't Even Catholic win. Score one for Satan. Way to go, Catholics!

What's the point in being a traditional Catholic if one does not strive to stay in a state of grace and encourage others to do so? Not much. But what does that have to do with anything here? Are you referring to the fact that many -- probably most -- Catholics visit porn sites? Well, they do. It's called sin. Fallen nature. Human nature after the Fall. People sin. Even Catholics.  Doesn't make them "hypocrites" in itself. Makes them sinners. There's a reason we have a Sacrament called Confession, and it's not because we're perfect.
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It's just...

Remember this story: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Finvestigators&id=8988031 ?

That person was part of a Catholic community, and that community didn't tolerate such nonsense. He/she was not fired out of an attitude of anger or hatred, but out of love for justice and a preservation of order. And this wasn't just some silly internet blogging account, this was the person's job, his/her entire means of generating income and putting food on the table, was stripped by a Catholic institution, and rightfully so, because they have standards to uphold, else that school would have turned into a state similar to what FE is in right now.

Vox, why didn't you just ban this user? It is just an internet blogging account. It's not like you'd be taking away their means of sustenance or sowing a giant letter T onto his/her garmets. It isn't even a condemnation. It's an forum account. Nothing more.  You wouldn't have had to do it with an angry face, nor would you have had to do it without feeling bad for him/her. You can still feel bad, and compassionate, but for the sake of order and justice something really should have been done besides just tolerating it. I think this is what has people upset. Not necessarily the Impy/Clare thing, but the fact that it has gone without any consequences. I'm sure many are thinking "If I were in charge, Impy/Clare would be gone in an instant." And not angrily or hatefully so.

I know I came here way late and missed all of the juicy goodness and probably haven't a clue as to what I'm talking about, but that's just my two cents.
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And I feel pretty bad for this person. I can't say I have gone through anything like it, but I can see myself going through things similar. I think Satan is out to get each and every one of us one way or another. But I wouldn't equate a ban with throwing stones or judging one's soul. Didn't the Church throughout most of its history exile people when the sanctity of the flock was at stake? Wasn't the general formula something like 1. finding the person, 2. sitting them down and explaining his error, 3. correcting his error and giving him a chance to fix it, 4. if he refused, exile. Or is that a made up history? You've gotta be tough to be a leader, and sometimes that means getting hurt and hurting others in the process, foreseen but unintentional.

If I ever acted on my desire to sleep with women, and somebody here found out, I would expect the process to unfold similarly. I would expect first and foremost to be told that it was wrong, obviously, and that I should repent. Hopefully I'd have the balls to admit it and beg God for mercy, and promise to never do it again. Hopefully that would be the end of it. But if I didn't do that, if I didn't apologize to all who I scandalized and actively seek to make up for my sins, then I would fully expect to be banned. And I still don't see that as passing judgement or throwing stones, just preserving order. And it can be done reluctantly of course, and with a shower of prayers. Is anybody arguing that none of us sin? I don't think it's so much about sin as it is keeping order. Or am I missing the boat big time?
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(06-28-2013, 03:47 AM)Vox Clamantis Wrote:
(06-28-2013, 02:59 AM)Meg Wrote: I think that Impy/Clare has an agenda. Pretty obvious, by now. I don't believe, as Vox has said, that 75% of Catholics here have visited porn sites in the last six months. What's the point in even being a traditional Catholic if one does not strive to stay in a state of grace, and encourage others to do so? Is Impy/Clare even a Catholic? Somehow I doubt it.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you're right about the person you call "Impy/Clare." That means that all the people who get all pissy and leave are just letting the Poster with an Agenda and Who Isn't Even Catholic win. Score one for Satan. Way to go, Catholics!

What's the point in being a traditional Catholic if one does not strive to stay in a state of grace and encourage others to do so? Not much. But what does that have to do with anything here? Are you referring to the fact that many -- probably most -- Catholics visit porn sites? Well, they do. It's called sin. Fallen nature. Human nature after the Fall. People sin. Even Catholics.  Doesn't make them "hypocrites" in itself. Makes them sinners. There's a reason we have a Sacrament called Confession, and it's not because we're perfect.

I'm not understanding why it is that you believe that many, or even most Catholics here visit porn sites. What is it that causes you to believe that this is true?
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(06-28-2013, 03:47 AM)Vox Clamantis Wrote:
(06-28-2013, 02:59 AM)Meg Wrote: I think that Impy/Clare has an agenda. Pretty obvious, by now. I don't believe, as Vox has said, that 75% of Catholics here have visited porn sites in the last six months. What's the point in even being a traditional Catholic if one does not strive to stay in a state of grace, and encourage others to do so? Is Impy/Clare even a Catholic? Somehow I doubt it.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you're right about the person you call "Impy/Clare." That means that all the people who get all pissy and leave are just letting the Poster with an Agenda and Who Isn't Even Catholic win. Score one for Satan. Way to go, Catholics!

What's the point in being a traditional Catholic if one does not strive to stay in a state of grace and encourage others to do so? Not much. But what does that have to do with anything here? Are you referring to the fact that many -- probably most -- Catholics visit porn sites? Well, they do. It's called sin. Fallen nature. Human nature after the Fall. People sin. Even Catholics.  Doesn't make them "hypocrites" in itself. Makes them sinners. There's a reason we have a Sacrament called Confession, and it's not because we're perfect.






I do not visit porn sites, my wife does not visit porn sites, and I cant think of any Catholics I know that do. This computer is nearing 2 years old now and it has yet to click on a porn site. Why do you think most Catholics visit porn sites? I think not, esp trad Catholics. Do you visit porn sites?


And I am not surprised Impy/Claire does, not at all. People in that sort of disgusting  degenerate lifestyle certainly would. A better question is what sort of thought process would drive someone to want to change their sex? In all my years that thought never occurred to me, not even once. A person like that is mentally damaged, possibly heavily influenced by satanic forces. I have heard saints say that things come from either God or the devil. Ask yourself where the desire to change your sex comes from.
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I almost regret being able to read again.

So close to signing out - the reason: the hatefulness.

TRADITION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW BIG OF A HATER YOU CAN BE.

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