Breaking News from Voris-This must be what the meeting was about!
#11
Voris has never got so many views.
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#12
If you are implying he has ulterior motives, then why wouldn't he put the special report behind the paywall at churchmilitant.TV?
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#13
Because it's excellent bait. "Wow, he's reporting on this way before (and in greater detail) than anybody else! The stuff behind the paywall must be even juicier..."

I just think it's all been embellished and it's all pushing Voris' agenda. I've never thought much of him as a "reporter" though, so I'm obviously not his target market. He knows what his brand of traddies like, and he'll be serving it (hot and gory) for the next few weeks, there's no doubt about that.
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(06-27-2013, 09:16 PM)loggats Wrote: Because it's excellent bait. "Wow, he's reporting on this way before (and in greater detail) than anybody else! The stuff behind the paywall must be even juicier..."

I just think it's all been embellished and it's all pushing Voris' agenda. I've never thought much of him as a "reporter" though, so I'm obviously not his target market. He knows what his brand of traddies like, and he'll be serving it (hot and gory) for the next few weeks, there's no doubt about that.

Loggats, are you saying that this story can't betrue, or "it can't be all that"? 
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(06-27-2013, 09:23 PM)St. Pius of Trent Wrote:
(06-27-2013, 09:16 PM)loggats Wrote: Because it's excellent bait. "Wow, he's reporting on this way before (and in greater detail) than anybody else! The stuff behind the paywall must be even juicier..."

I just think it's all been embellished and it's all pushing Voris' agenda. I've never thought much of him as a "reporter" though, so I'm obviously not his target market. He knows what his brand of traddies like, and he'll be serving it (hot and gory) for the next few weeks, there's no doubt about that.

Loggats, are you saying that this story can't betrue, or "it can't be all that"? 

"Can't be all that." Though who knows. I think there's deviancy going on but not the massive conspiracy theory nonsense that every nut just loves to pour over. Especially when it comes to the Church.
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#16
The stuf behind the paywall is really just excellent Catholic educational materials, nothing juicy.  All the "reporting" they do is free for everyone.  Haters gonna hate.
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#17
This just in--sorry for posting in the middle of the night, but I could not sleep. It just got posted overnight. It's a review of the previous information but with more added detail. It seems the police have credible evidence and are making arrests. They had undercover persons pose as young men looking for money to set up the sting. They have identified the perpetrators that were named in the confidential 300 page report that Benedict gave to Francis. For those of you who still think Voris is making this up because he has a get rich scheme, get that idea out of your head now. The witnesses are too deep.

BTW, long before Mike Voris started his blog, this was called out in the 1990s by Steve Brady (formerly of RCF) and the authors who wrote Goodbye, Good Men & AmChurch Comes Out. Right now they're saying, this is not news to us. The arrests were long overdue.

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#18
Fr. Z weighs in. All of this is no rumor.
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/06/fr-z-muses-and-rants/

There is an especially awful story about clergy in Rome circulating right now.

Once upon a time, I was walking under the colonnade of St. Peter’s Square with an especially well-placed curial official, nay rather, institution.

I asked him if it were true that Masons (the European style Masons, not the US style) had infiltrated the Church and the Roman Curia.

He stopped and looked around. He leaned in, lowered his voice, and said, “Yes. But they are not the ones people talk about.”

Many years ago, also in Rome, I stayed for a while at the Czech College. They were almost paranoid when it came to outsiders. Eventually, someone told me that when they did some renovations of rooms, they found listening devices planted in the walls. They had been infiltrated by seminarians that were actually working for government agencies.

Also in Rome, I lived for a couple summers at a Ukrainian Catholic residence when my own place was under renovation. Some of these old guys had survived Stalin. There was a concern that KGB plants would manage to get in.

For a long time in certain circles there was a great concern that Masons, communists and homosexuals had systematically infiltrated the Church for the purpose of eventually attaining high positions and influence and so under mine or twist the Church and her mission from within.

“But Father! But Father!”, some of you may be sputtering, “You don’t believe any of this, do you? Even though you obviously hate Vatican II, do you buy this stuff?”

I do buy it, yes.

But when I hear about scandalous stories involving Church figures, I tend to shrug. They are only the very edge of a slimy underbelly.  Sin isn’t rare.

On the other hand…

There are those who hate the Church with as much hate as we love the Church. They are organized, they have a great resources, they have a Dark Prince. Dreadful liberal publications and websites, and even the blitherings of some priests and bishops, are only shadows of the deeper agenda flickered out on the back of the cave for popular consumption by barely witting dupes.

Deeper enemies, like our own beautiful missionaries and martyrs of ages past, are willing to set aside their appetites, put on a facade, and endure for patient years for the sake of a long term plan.

Yes, I buy it. I have seen manifestations of communist, Masonic, and especially homosexual networking in the Church both in the USA and in Rome. It would be stupidly naive to think that it isn’t present. In the USA, Masonic and communist? Maybe not so much.  Elsewhere, yes.  The other thing?  Ohhhh, yes.

Those agents will probably go to Hell.  Let us remember that the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church.

However, Our Lord did not promise that Hell would not prevail in these USA or, in the Roman Curia, in any other particular place.

When you hear awful stories, do not become discouraged.

We are nearing some kind of turning point. I think it is time to press forward HARD and with courage to renew our Holy Church’s liturgical worship, the best, clean antidote.
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