Why doesn't Catholicism look like this anymore?!
#1
As a Catholic and an opera lover, I'm naturally drawn to Operas with Catholic themes or backgrounds. The plot of Cavalleria Rusticana takes place on Easter Sunday, so at a point in the opera there's an Easter Procession to the Church. This is a movie version of the Opera directed by Franco Zeffirelli, and I was just stunned by this scene, I had to share it with you all. Do procession like this still happen in Italy? If not, what a shame...

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The lyrics are:

Regina coeli laetare.
Alleluja!
Quia quem meruisti portare.
Alleluja!
Resurrexit sicut dixit.
Alleluja!

Inneggiamo,
Il Signor non è morto,
Ei fulgente
Ha dischiuso l'avel,
Inneggiam
Al Signore risorto
Oggi asceso
Alla gloria del Ciel!

Ora pro nobis Deum.
Alleluja!
Gaude et laetare, Virgo Maria.
Alleluja!
Quia surrexit Dominus vere.
Alleluja!
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#2
Probably because someone thinks that kids and older parishioners respond better to guitar folk Masses using 70s-style music and post-modern religious art, and they don't want to empty the churches.
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#3
I cannot stand opera. It is seriously the worst form of music...it is the pop music of its day but snobby as hell because the composers were educated and possessed talent.

I'd much rather listen to something like this at church

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#4
I know nothing about opera, but love it, too!  Zeffirelli makes such pretty movies, sigh!

Anyway, IMO, the reason Catholicism doesn't look like that anymore is because most people -- whether hierarchs or not -- have been affected by materialism, "feed-goodism," fear of being seen as "uncool" or "superstitious" or "medieeeeeeeeeeeval", have fallen prey to media and ivory tower shaming of the Church and her heritage based on false and distorted History, have been inculcated with a hatred for any authority, and have been poisoned aesthetically by having grown up in a culture that prizes rotting sharks floating in formaldehyde as "art," So, people have simply lost not only the Faith itself, but any sense of awe and reverence, of (at least one of) the purposes of art as being a sign pointing toward greater things, and prize groups hugs (fine in themselves -- after the Mass) over worship of the Transcendent Yet Immanent God. Too many would be ashamed to be seen walking in a procession, carrying a "mere statue" and treating it with reverence, and behaving in any way similar to how their "superstitious" ancestors would have. People as a group think they're too sophisticated to experience wonder and awe, to be moved by Beauty, or to use "mere things" to help them along the path to perfection.

The world's radically dualist:  think of the money spent encouraging physical fitness and outer beauty while also promoting promiscuity, abortion, and porn.  Only a culture that sees the body as supreme and the soul as non-existent could praise up porn stars and money-grubbing, roided-out athletes even as it hands out condoms to schoolkids.

Notice how so many people love to gloat -- and it is a gloat -- that theyre "not religious, but spiritual"? "Religion" implies something organized, with writings or leaders that are supposed to set out rules or guidelines, ways of differentiating between the "us" and the "them." That isn't "cool" nowadays, man. If such a procession were to take place now, you'd have to have all sorts of "ministers" (mostly women, of course) leading it all, with someone with a rainbow flag holding up the back. The statue would be hideous aesthetically, no one would be dressed to show any special respect for the occasion, there'd be an an air of either cynicism ("ha, check us out, doing a procession! haha") or partying (just another Mardi Gras/Gay Pride parade, folks), and any physical gestures that imply respect would be gone (though the body is all-important, it's only important with regard to health, sports, fruitless sex, and being "hot," not for its true purposes, like prayer, procreation, engaging in the corporal acts of mercy, etc.)

Catholicism doesn't look like that anymore because of Modernism (in the true sense of the word, not how that word is thrown around all the time in a ridiculous fashion). And underlying that, is the simple problem of people failing to listen to Christ's words as recorded in Luke 18:17:  "Amen, I say to you: Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a child, shall not enter into it."  Little children listen to their parents, have a sense of wonder and awe, know intuitively that their bodies are special, know that a shark floating in formaldehyde isn't art (though it may well be interesting), are fascinated by their ancestors, know that, for ex., when Grandma dies, that corpse in the coffin isn't all there is to her, and wouldn't be ashamed in the least to walk in a procession (at least not until they're close to pubescence and the kewl kids start mocking them for such piety).

At the same time, just to give a word to the more "rad-traddy types" out there, little kids also like to be hugged, to have some fun, to have friends, to dance, etc. The point being that all the stuff that gets called "liberal" for some strange reason isn't all bad. It's just that the Faith needs to be preserved intact, the Sacramental rites need to be preserved in the same way, 100%, but also that there's time for dancing and group stuff and World Youth Day stuff (the sloppy, NO liturgical crap aside) that are also good and worth keeping. After the liturgy! My dream Catholic world is one which is 100% trad with regard to Catechesis and the Sacramental rites (see FETradition ) -- but which is also alive with youthful energy and fun and fellowship outside of liturgical functions. And ALL of it would be marked by welcoming, non-judgmental, non-Gossipy parishioners who wouldn't dream of engaging in detraction, holding people's pasts against them, sniping about people's possible present sins, assuming the position of Judge over others, and so forth. IOW, take trad Catholicism as defined at the above link, add some of the fun stuff after Mass, and subtract what I will, for shorthand's sake, call the CathInfo posters' (I speak of them as a group, mind you) hatefulness, legalism, and bitterness. Ahhhhh!

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(08-08-2013, 03:03 AM)Vox Clamantis Wrote: I know nothing about opera, but love it, too!  Zeffirelli makes such pretty movies, sigh!

Anyway, IMO, the reason Catholicism doesn't look like that anymore is because most people -- whether hierarchs or not -- have been affected by materialism, "feed-goodism," fear of being seen as "uncool" or "superstitious" or "medieeeeeeeeeeeval", have fallen prey to media and ivory tower shaming of the Church and her heritage based on false and distorted History, have been inculcated with a hatred for any authority, and have been poisoned aesthetically by having grown up in a culture that prizes rotting sharks floating in formaldehyde as "art," So, people have simply lost not only the Faith itself, but any sense of awe and reverence, of (at least one of) the purposes of art as being a sign pointing toward greater things, and prize groups hugs (fine in themselves -- after the Mass) over worship of the Transcendent Yet Immanent God. Too many would be ashamed to be seen walking in a procession, carrying a "mere statue" and treating it with reverence, and behaving in any way similar to how their "superstitious" ancestors would have. People as a group think they're too sophisticated to experience wonder and awe, to be moved by Beauty, or to use "mere things" to help them along the path to perfection.

:crucifix:  J.M.J.  A.M.D.G.

Hi Vox Clamantis - :tiphat:

Great post!   :)

Ah - Catholic Utopia! :pray:

Everything truly "Catholic" restored.  :)

Everything not really "Catholic" a sad footnote to history.

In the interim, Our Blessed Mother's Promise that in the end her Immaculate Heart will Triumph and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.

Between now and then, following God's Peace Plan, including lots of Rosaries and Catholics acting like Catholics as we walk through the midst of the shadow of death, faithfully carrying our crosses every day in the Imitation of Christ with the help of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Thanks for reading!  :tiphat:

God Bless You!  :pray:

A-Catholic-Catholic: Father Jim
:crucifix:  J.M.J.  A.M.D.G.
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#6
In answer to the title of the thread, I guess the question should really be put to clergymen such as Bugnini, Montini, Roncalli, Parsch, Ellard, etc. who derailed the legitimate Liturgical Movement begun by Dom Gueranger (and encouraged by St. Pius X himself). Too bad they are all dead with only a wake of destruction of horrific proportions left for the rest of us to lament.
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#7
We try...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BwTRMU6o14o&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBwTRMU6o14o

(if someone can embed that link, have at it ;))

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#8
In my estimation it doesn't look like that because the west is no longer poor. I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that was filmed in Sicily or southern Italy.

tim
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#9
(08-08-2013, 10:15 AM)DustinsDad Wrote: We try...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BwTRMU6o14o&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBwTRMU6o14o

(if someone can embed that link, have at it ;))

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#10
They still do that for St. Sebastian in Melilli, Sicily and some sister cities here in the US (I go to one every year).  I've heard the Assumption procession in Rome is still pretty impressive.  I think in some places in Europe these things still happen on important feast days.

In the US, the move to suburbia really killed these things.  In most places, the Italians (or insert any old world ethnic group) aren't all crammed together anymore in one neighborhood--they're all spread out and live among other kinds of people.  The parishes in my town do a joint Corpus Christi procession, but for these reasons it's pretty sparse.
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