08-09-2013, 10:26 AM
(08-09-2013, 09:24 AM)2Vermont Wrote:(08-08-2013, 09:01 AM)Tim Wrote:(08-08-2013, 08:35 AM)2Vermont Wrote: One question: did we have these divisions before Vatican II? Because although a simplistic response, I do believe that the division in our Church stems from Vatican II.
In the post above this one of yours I wrote how it was similar before Vatican II.
If I understood that post, then you are saying there were similarities, but it's much worse now.
Yes that is what I'm saying. All parishes had families which wouldn't allow their children near some others.They were absurd. You've got to understand this Pope Paul VI was a liberal, but he wrote Humane Vitae and that was no mistake.
The marketing of Enovid-E was what split the Church and it was gradual. Fr. Mullady of EWTN has said over and over when he teaches Cana to couples he has to take some aside and tell them that cohabitation and premarital sex prevent their marriage, and they must split, confess, and be chaste, or no marriage. Both NCR's have written that 75% of active Catholics contracept with whatever devices they fancy. We also abort at the same rate as the national average.
My family along with most of the Northern Italians which came to Chicago before 1900 were Republicans, and most Catholics were Democrats. When contraception and abortion were fully embraced by the Democrats many never flinched. Many evolved to Democrats first and catholic with a small c
.When we moved to a multicultural Parish we became "different". Forget that my family started here 15 years after the Civil War and thought Lincoln was a hero, we were not nice and charitable. Sound familiar ??
On the flip side the Republicans have morphed into Zionist Christians and have no place for Catholics. Protestants like most Catholics do not see the pill as evil. W the most profile President couldn't bother to come down and speak to the Profile March, because he'd be aligned with the anti-contraception Catholics.
The Church is in the middle of this milieu and people identify with these groups, and there are many more, before they identify as Catholics. No one equates Usury which both parties support and thrive on as being as evil as abortion. Both Sins cry out to God for vengeance. Because their party, that they identify with needs Usury, so like premarital sex and contraceptives wink wink it's all good.
tim