Did the Virgin Mary die?
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(08-16-2013, 07:27 AM)guacamole Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 07:20 AM)2Vermont Wrote: Well, not sure it matters, but the bishop at Latin Mass last night said "after her death".

He should not have said that.  Rather, he should have said, "After her earthly life," or something to that effect.  In the Roman Catholic Church, this question is not settled.

My SSPX priest told us during adult catechism that it is his opinion that Our Lady probably died, because it was fitting for her to be conformed to her Son in that way.  But again, he stressed that the Church has no teaching on whether or not she died.

The eastern Church teaches that she died and was assumed into heaven.  They also observe this feast on August 15th and call it her dormition, or "falling asleep."

As an Old Catholic, I believe Our Lady's assumption should not have been dogmatized, although I certainly believe it.

Actually what he said agrees with Pope Pius XII.  She died.  I'm not sure why this is even a question.
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#22
Well, I guess she sorta died in the sense she left Earth.  But she was assumed into Heaven, so she didn't die in the conventional sense the rest of us do.

The assumption is the logical consequence of being conceived without original sin - no longer being bound by mortal death (as the wages of sin is death, and Mary has accrued zero wages in this regard) Mary gets assumed into Heaven.
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#23
this is a very good summary of roman catholic teaching on whether Our Lady died:  http://catholicism.about.com/od/beliefst...ry-Die.htm
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#24
Pope Pius XII said she died, therefore she died.
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(08-16-2013, 11:48 AM)devoutchristian Wrote: Pope Pius XII said she died, therefore she died.

nope.   :huh-uh:

that's not dogma or definitive teaching and not required for catholics to believe.

pius xii might think she died.  i happen to think she died.  i can see you do, as well.  but that's not catholic teaching.
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(08-16-2013, 11:50 AM)guacamole Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 11:48 AM)devoutchristian Wrote: Pope Pius XII said she died, therefore she died.

nope.   :huh-uh:

that's not dogma or definitive teaching and not required for catholics to believe.

pius xii might think she died.  i happen to think she died.  i can see you do, as well.  but that's not catholic teaching.

Your denial doesn't change the fact that her death is an authoritative magesterial teaching. Pope Pius XII condemned the idea that we need only listen to dogmas.
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(08-16-2013, 12:19 PM)devoutchristian Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 11:50 AM)guacamole Wrote:
(08-16-2013, 11:48 AM)devoutchristian Wrote: Pope Pius XII said she died, therefore she died.

nope.   :huh-uh:

that's not dogma or definitive teaching and not required for catholics to believe.

pius xii might think she died.  i happen to think she died.  i can see you do, as well.  but that's not catholic teaching.

Your denial doesn't change the fact that her death is an authoritative magesterial teaching.

your bald assertion doesn't make it an authoritative magisterial teaching.  and it isn't. 
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(08-16-2013, 08:52 AM)guacamole Wrote: this is a very good summary of roman catholic teaching on whether Our Lady died:  http://catholicism.about.com/od/beliefst...ry-Die.htm

No offense guacamole, but about.com is probably not a great source for Catholic teaching. 

There are at least three direct references by Pius XII when he defined the dogma of the Assumption.  Do a "Ctrl-F" for "death" here:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_x...us_en.html

Added:  Note the title of the document "Defining the Dogma of the Assumption".
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#29
2Vermont what is wrong with Catholicism.about.com?

I do agree it might not be the best site but I think that Scott Richert is pretty decent.

Neverless I do believe the Blessed Virgin died

Here is my newest blog post I made http://walkinginthedesert.com/2013/08/16...to-heaven/

I would appreciate the comments

God Bless
Arturo
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(08-16-2013, 04:46 PM)ArturoOrtiz Wrote: 2Vermont what is wrong with Catholicism.about.com?

I do agree it might not be the best site but I think that Scott Richert is pretty decent.

Neverless I do believe the Blessed Virgin died

Here is my newest blog post I made http://walkinginthedesert.com/2013/08/16...to-heaven/

I would appreciate the comments

God Bless
Arturo
I guess I see it as a secular type website.  Lately, I tend to go to the actual documents or at least the catechisms.  I just find there is so much misinformation out there that I prefer to go to the real thing.
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