I'm first finding this: Letter on Novus Ordo Missae
(08-20-2013, 09:15 AM)Melchior Wrote:
(08-20-2013, 09:07 AM)2Vermont Wrote: I agree with it in matters other than faith and morals.  We know that the Pope can not bind and loose anything he wants.  He can not contradict doctrine.  Even the Pope has limits.  The Mass is the greatest prayer of the Church for hundreds and hundreds of years.  It is not mere Canon Law.  It has more to do with doctrine than discipline (lex orandi, lex credendi).  Pope Paul VI radically changed it.  This is unprecedented.

I found this and thought it was a good explanation of what we are talking about here (and I'm pretty sure these guys are not sedes, so I think it is okay to post):

http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questio...Primum.htm

So you posit that the Form of Mass itself is immutable doctrine and cannot be changed? Does this extend to any liturgical function, like the Divine Office?  Is this extended to the other Rites and Forms (for example; was it lawful for the Seraphic Missal to be suppressed?)

I'll answer that with an excerpt from another link from the same site:

The reason given for why one Pope can always reform the decision of previous Popes is not applicable to this case. It only applies to those reforms that do not change the substance of the sacraments and the Mass. However, Paul VI changed the substance of the Mass when he changed the formulas of the Canon from Latin to the vernacular, allowed different Canons to be said, hid the sacrificial character of the Mass, gave a different meaning to the Eucharist, and presented a Protestant interpretation to the whole of the Mass in opposition to what had been established by St. Pius V. Therefore, Paul VI frontally defied the sentence of St. Pius V, going far beyond the limits of his authority [for more on this topic, click here]. Hence the reason alleged by the Congregation of the Worship when applied to the New Mass is erroneous.
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Re: I'm first finding this: Letter on Novus Ordo Missae - by 2Vermont - 08-20-2013, 09:35 AM



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